Burt Gummer's Rec Room February 2011 Archive

A gathering place for firearms enthusiasts, paranoid survivalists and those who worship at the Church of Chang.

February, sigh, Valentine’s coming up but best not to mention it. Burt’s still not got over the fall of the Soviet Union and the departure of the Blessed Reba.

Disclaimer: This is the part of the Church that is the most no holds barred. None of it is intended with malice, and although it can on occasion seem a little bit fraught, it is banter rather than venom.

1,984 responses to “Burt Gummer's Rec Room February 2011 Archive”

  1. koutchboom says :

    Soooo I got some important news!! No Frank didn’t finally watch The Rocket. BUT I did convince my prison gaurd buddy to stay up late and watch A Prophet and he hath deemed it the most accurate portrayal of prison he has ever seen in a film. He said sure it was a little dramatized and its not always SO obvious who the shot callers are but the interactions with the guards and getting prisoners to do other things was very similar to prison. Also with the exception of how the French eat their meals the day to day stuff was very similar. He really liked it.

    I was worried to because I’ve been trying to get him to watch it for some time and luckily Starz just started showing it, but only at like 2-4AM. But he said he woke up to watch it and finished it. And this guy don’t do smelly French films. He said the biggest problem he had with it was that he wished it was dubed so he could get up and get a cup of coffee or something.

    • Jarv says :

      That is interesting. So he liked it?

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah he really did. It was funny though because every time I’d mention it before hand he was all against seeing some stupid French film. The guy likes movies though, he’s not one of those old guys who just hates movies in general. He goes to the movies a bunch. But I mean he’s one of those “Did you see the new Adam Sandler film. Now that was funny!” types. So I KNEW there was a slight chance that he just wouldn’t be into A Prophet at all, but yeah he really really liked it.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Now that’s someone coming from a different perspective than all of us. Pretty cool that the movie was a good depiction.

  2. koutchboom says :

    Man I fell asleep in the last 20 minutes of Thelma and Louise last night and I didn’t record it. Now I’ve got NO idea how it ends.

  3. koutchboom says :

    Ohh bad ass Danny Boyle made a Frankenstien play.

  4. koutchboom says :

    Man you lot are like Boba Fett today.

  5. Jarv says :

    Midget in the pub is hitting on Mrs. Jarv!

  6. L Bronco says :

    This fucking rules-Predator-The Musical.

    Posted here because Jarv and Droid refuse to join twitter:

    Also since a midget is hassling Mrs. Jarv:

  7. koutchboom says :

    Did we get some consensus on Alien vs. Ninja? Its got good reviews on Netflix…which usually has pretty honest reviews when there is at least 10 or more.

    • just pillow talk says :

      Didn’t Jonah say he liked it? I can’t remember…

      • koutchboom says :

        I think he said it was better then it had any right to be or something. I thought Jarv may have seen it as well. I was just surprised of the positive reviews on Netflix. I haven’t even seen the trailer for it.

        Its funny how last year we got Ninja Assassin in theaters and DTV Ninja. While to different movies there are similar motifs in the two. And this year we got The Warriors War in theaters (Cowboys Vs Ninjas) and Alien Vs. Ninja in DTV.

        I WONDER WHAT NEXT YEAR WILL BRING!!!!! And maybe the right film will actually get the theatrical release? (even though I liked Ninja Ass, I’m riding solo on that one)

      • koutchboom says :

        I think he said it was better then it had any right to be are something. I thought Jarv may have seen it as well. I was just surprised of the positive reviews on Netflix. I haven’t even seen the trailer for it.

        Its funny how last year we got Ninja Assassin in theaters and DTV Ninja. While to different movies there are similar motifs in the two. And this year we got The Warriors War in theaters (Cowboys Vs Ninjas) and Alien Vs. Ninja in DTV.

        I WONDER WHAT NEXT YEAR WILL BRING!!!!! And maybe the right film will actually get the theatrical release? (even though I liked Ninja Ass, I’m riding solo on that one)

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Apropos of nothing, I stumbled across this on the slate site. Fascinating read about a guy who grew up believing the rah-rah flag waving BS about military life, and then he joins the military and has his naivete ripped away about what it is truly like.

        I came across his type a few times while I was in the service, but none took it to this extreme.

        I will withhold my own opinion on this but some of you might find it an interesting take.


      • just pillow talk says :

        Interesting take on what has gone on over there, but is it really an accurate assessment? Did shit like that go down? I can see some guys having their perspective totally changed…

  8. koutchboom says :

    Heres a fun useless fact:

    Daniel Waters (Screen writer of Heathers/Ford Fairlane/Hudson Hawk/Batman Returns/Demolition Man and Writer/Director of Sex and Death 101) is the older brother to Mark Waters (Director of Freaky Friday/Just Like Heaven/The Spiderwick Chronicles/Mr. Popper’s Penguins/Ghosts of Girlfriends Past/Mean Girls).

    I just watched Ford Fairlane last night. Fun flick.

  9. Bartleby says :

    Alien VS Ninja is a fun movie. Its exactly what they advertise. No, its not a legit good movie like Outlander, but its good schlock. Very silly but more fun than those Machine Girl and Tokyo GOre Police movies. An honest to goodness man-in-suit monster (for the most part).

    It woudl make a great drunken cinema,a ctually. Thanks for the reminder. I need to get a review of it up on PCN. Been a busy week. Just finished up reviews for Shelter, Of God and Men, The Bleeding and The Illusionist (2010).

    Tonight’s Drive Angry. Hope its fun.

  10. Bartleby says :

    The marketing I’ve seen has the Sunshine music and seems to be making it look like some sort of action thriller, yes. I don’t think Inception, but you are right in that it’s being completely mis-marketed. I think the big thing that’s not in the trailer is how much the agents of the adjustment bureau actually figure into the story. They aren’t just shadowy figures at the edge of the movie. From that perspective, they are more like the angels of Wings of Desire than they are the Strangers. That’s all the more I’ll say til the review next week.

    • koutchboom says :

      You honestly don’t think they are trying to play up Inception at all in that trailer? They are all about trying to be this years Inception. I mean its basic hollywood marketing 101. Bank off of something popular.

  11. Bartleby says :

    Droid, let me restate. I said it doesnt look much like Deja Vu. You are right, that’s wrong. I should have said ‘I dont think its going to be much like Deja Vu.’ I say that based off of thinking about the hints of plot they set-up. In the same way that Knowing looked like Next when it was advertised but in reality was something completely different and much better.

    I think same will be true of Source Code. But no, you are right that its currently being marketed so that one could assume they are almost similr in plot.

    I liked Moon even better when I saw it on bluray and that was after seeing it twice in theaters. To be fair, that side of the sci-fi genre is probably my favorite kind of movie. Mind-bending or thoughtful science fiction.

    • koutchboom says :

      I liked it much better when it was called Silent Running. One thing that really bugged me when I watched in again was how cheezy the effects were, it looked like a SyFy show. Even the set felt cheap. Also I didn’t care at all for the character the second time around. That final phone call is still good though, but a lot of the back and forth between the two was weak. I really was surprised how much of a down turned it had for me from theater to small screen.

      • Bartleby says :

        Moon didn’t look cheap. It was appropriate to the setting. And I think Silent Running is a bit lazy of a comparison because Dern’s relationship with the robots in SR and the rest of the film was more along the lines of a wilderness survival movie in space—think a man lost in the wild with his three dogs. Moon of course went more for a psychological thriller that probably has more in common with Solaris (either version) than SR.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well I picked SR because that film was all about sticking it to the man and fucking their little system up which Moon becomes. I think the actual psychological aspect of Moon are very weak and the effects aren’t good. I don’t know if cheap is the right word I mean they don’t look like Aslylum shit they just look like Battlestar Galactica for the most part, that obviously computer effects stuff, I just thought it looked better than that when I saw it in theaters. Also the whole set wasn’t that interesting a second time.

      • koutchboom says :

        That and I’ve never seen Solaris. I’ve got both at home though.

    • Droid says :

      Did Knowing look like Next in the trailer? I never thought that. I loved Knowing. I really liked Moon. Only seen it once though.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah I think Knowing looks a little bit like Next, but not as bad as Source Code and Adjustment does. Probably since Next was sort of a flop. I think Knowing played it up more as a horror film then anything else.

        Now Knowing thats a movie that held up. I watched that shit two nights in a row.

      • Droid says :

        I’ve still only seen it once at the cinema. Its a movie that I’m purposefully waiting between viewings. I don’t want to ruin it.

      • koutchboom says :

        That wasn’t even the issue I had with it a second time. I mean even when I saw Gattaca I remembered about the brother about halfway through and it still hit good and I hadn’t seen that movie in like 20 years. But with Moon it was more the film than the story/plot.

      • Bartleby says :

        The trailers ofr Knowing here in the states Droid just showed Cage looking at the numbers, saying that he could foretell disasters, and then you saw a quick triple shot of the plane crashing, the subway, and the fireball.

        So, yes, it did. There wasn’t much of the horror elements in the trailer that I recall.

      • koutchboom says :

        The horror bits like the ‘whisper man’ and taking his son and this notion that SOME huge event is going to end the world. I don’t know what else to call an ELE other than horrific.

        I just watched it and all in all its a really good trailer for the actual film.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ok now just watching Next trailer, the Knowing trailer does play out like the sequel to Next but with some horror elements. I think I equate Next more to Bangcock Dangerous because the wigs used in Bangcock and Next were more similar than the one used in Knowing. Knowing he was rocking the National Treasure hairdo.

      • Bartleby says :

        To each his own, then. In a time when there really is very little in the sci-fi genre worth writing home about, 2009 was a darn good year: Sleep Dealer, District 9, Avatar, Outlander, Knowing, Moon. I’m hoping this year does something similar, as it has several interesting movies in the genre dropping. Adjustment Bureau is a good start, but it’s more magical realism than science fiction.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Knowing was a movie that suprised me by gently massaging my balls in a loving way.

        Moon was a good movie, but I can see it not holding up quite as well for a second viewing. While I certainly enjoyed it a lot, it’s not a movie I’m anxious to revisit. However, I can see myself watching Knowing again.

        Next was okay, but by far worse of these three.

  12. Toadkillerdog says :

    Pillow – from friends I still have in the corps and the army, I would say yes, that is an accurate assessment.

    Wartime brings out the best and worst in people.
    I think though that he was so naive about what military life is truly like, the flag waving ‘we are all heroes’ bs, that when confronted with reality he could not handle it.

    By that I mean, and I don’t want to sound callous, but when you are in a volatile and fluid situation, your goal is not to make the residents like you, it is to protect your life and those of your fellows.

    The big goals are for the politicians, staying alive is for the men on the ground. You do what you have to to stay alive.

    Dude was far too naive for the service.

    • Toadkillerdog says :

      Pillow, let me add that the behavior he described, while not out of the ordinary, is not the dominant behavior.

      Winning ‘hearts and minds’ is the noble cause that politicians – both civilian and military, like to bandy around, but the truth is that when you invade a country you will be treated as invaders no matter how you act.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Toad, I understand that, however I’ll say that if you enter the service, isn’t it your job to do more than just stay alive? I know it’s easy to pay lip service to that since I have no fucking idea what it’s like, but if one is just worried about staying alive, how are any objectives met?

        And no doubt there’s a ‘disconnect’ between the reality of a war and what the politicians spout off.

        And regarding your last line “but the truth is that when you invade a country you will be treated as invaders no matter how you act”….ain’t that the truth.

        Yeah, it seemed like we were initially seen as liberators, but since we haven’t ever left, that would get old quick.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Pah..I sounded like an asshole there.

        The solution would have been to drop every politician into Iraq and have them try and win the “hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people.

  13. Toadkillerdog says :

    Pillow, the answer is complicated. It really depends on why you entered the service.

    There are many reason people do so, some are selfless some are self serving some are simply nothing better to do.

    It could be patriotism, sense of duty, sense of outrage, family history, just needing a job, have no other prospects, sense of adventure, wanting to use military to pay for college, adrenaline rush and on and on.

    There is no single reason, but the paramount lesson all marines and soldiers learn – or better learn, is that you protect you buddy and he will protect you. Because slogans and flag waving and good intentions never once stopped a bullet.

    So, yes, your number one goal is to stay alive. If that seems selfish, well like you said, you have never experienced that kind of life.

    Now, all that being said, there are higher callings, but they generally take place far behind the lines when you have time to think about more than just your survival.

    The military life has always been cloaked in ‘noble cause; In fact, it used to be that only nobles or landowners were allowed to fight.

    But the military is about killing. Killing the other poor fool before he kills you. You can call it noble or call it the worst profession known to man, but it is about staying alive to kill.

    That is your job – not to die for your country, but to stay alive to kill for it.

    The military way of life has many benefits, and I loved my time in the service – for the most part, but never forget why you are there or what you may be called upon to do.

    • just pillow talk says :

      Bottom line Toad is that I’m still pissed how/why the Iraqi invasion went down the way it did. Nor would I want any of our men and women to die over there, or anywhere. I hope that’s not how I came across. Put in the same situation, you’re damn right I would want to stay alive, and keep my mates alive too.

      I’m just always curious as to what military (current and former) feel about all of this…the constant bullshit that hits the airwaves about Iraq and Afghanistan.

      I just think it’s bullshit that the American people have not had to make sacrifices during a decade of war. By that I mean we never helped fund the war, which is the least we could have done. There was no “we’re in this together”. It’s too easy to be desensitized from the
      war(s) and make it seem like it’s not even happening. But I’m sure that’s the muthafucking politicians saying “nothing to see here, move along” bullshit.

      As always Toad, good to hear your thoughts…

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Ya, Pillow I can dig it. Lets put it this way with regards to how men in the service feel about the wars. People will always bitch and moan when they are doing a job – but if that is how you make a living, then it is the rare and or foolish (depending on the circumstances) individual who can afford to just up an quit because they don’t like what they have been asked to do.

        Going to war, quickly settles into to just doing your job and doing it well enough to keep you and your buddy alive.

        Both Iraq wars were BS, but I did my job when called upon.

        As for citizen sacrifice, you are right and wrong about that. The families of the thousands who have died or have been injured have felt that sacrifice. But when contrasted with a population of 300 million, well, I liken it to how many people outside of Louisiana felt the pain of nearly losing an entire American city when Katrina hit?

        Staying alive and coming home safe, everything else is bullshit

      • Jarv says :

        Reading this has given me a great idea for an underrated.

        King Rat-

        Pillows if you need a book get this one. It’s fucking superb

      • just pillow talk says :

        Jarv, I’m assuming the James Clavell version?

      • Jarv says :

        Yup. Fucking great book. Much better than Empire of the Sun, which deals with the same thing

      • just pillow talk says :

        Good, I have a couple books I’ll have to get now.

    • Tom_Bando says :

      Most of my family members who have been in war either the current ones or in the past all said the same thing–being in there was all about killing the other guy. And staying alive. And keeping your buddies alive. That was it, really. A cousin of mine fought in Da Nang and Chu Lai(izzat how you spell it?) back in the mid-sixties, it sounded like pure hell, it’s all so chaotic and random, who gets it, who makes it, who winds up in a wheel chair or worse.

      I will have to look at that article in Slate but it sounds sketchy, to say the least there Pillows.

  14. just pillow talk says :

    Has anyone ever read Old Man’s War by John Scalzi? Apparently the rights to the book has been picked up and Wolfgang Peterson has been attached. Looking on Amazon, it’s got a tons of positive to very positive reviews…

    And I still have to wait until May for the sixth book of Temeraire comes out in paperback.

  15. Xiphos0311 says :


    I have to call BS on that article. First because it’s from Slate and I’m pretty sure they got caught printing false shit about Iraq(no surprise the the media are lazy lying scumbags) from a soldier that wasn’t anywhere close to being in combat. Secondly why wasn’t there any info about his service? What branch was he Army Marines Air Force? What unit, what was this MOS? Who say’s that they enlisted in “The military” after then enlist. People say I enlisted in The Army or Marines. Was the guy a tanker an Infantrymen artillery or Transpo? That’s info people would need to know. It puts his alleged experiences into prospective. Especially since most of the people getting killed and wounded between us(meaning The Marine Corps) leveling Fallujah and the increased tempo of operations during the surge were mostly non combat MOS types like Civil Affairs and Transpo/supply.

    Unless I missed it I didn’t see anywhere in the article where it said what this guy did and what unit he was in. This is important since Southern Iraq was peaceful as hell the Brits walked around without weapons.

    So you see i have problems with this. The biggest problem though is letting some religious jack ass in they are the worst. Thankfully what boot doesn’t get out of them getting to your first platoon usually takes care of the rest or that guy gets gone. I wish they could ban the religious from serving but I think even the assholes at the ACLU might fight that one.

    Other then that I outlined above I more less agree with everything else you wrote.

    • Toadkillerdog says :

      Hola Xi, I was hoping you would respond. Yes, I had the same misgivings after reading the article on slate, I did a rapid google search before I posted it here, dude is legit he was part of the notorious Bravo Company 2nd Battalion 16th Infantry Regiment. That would be the Army for you non military types. He said he was not with his company when they killed the civilians depicted in the movie ‘Collateral Murder’. He was a specialist, but I have no other info about him.

      I knew he had to be army, because they have lesser vetting than the corps does.

      I totally agree with you, his type should never be allowed in the service. I said he was far too naive to be in the service. One of the things I found telling and indicative of his being in the wrong profession, was his description of how the army tried to brainwash soldiers – im paraphrasing, but I am sure that was the gist.

      He was talking about seeing videos of bombings and the cheering afterwards and the general desensitizing .

      Well what did lil mary sunshine think he was signing up for, boy scouts?

      Boot and basic are about tearing down and molding civilians into nascent marines and soldiers.

      Yes, the tactics can border on the tasteless, but I truly found them more comical than anything else.

      Only the truly naive and weak in mind would fall for the bs being spewed in boot. I went in during the early 80’s and I vividly recall a ‘skit’ performed by some drills purporting to be a soviet officer of some kind who insults the good ol US of A, and how some drills had to be ‘restrained’ from kicking his ass. Of course the recruits went crazy -and a few probably believed it, but most of us just laughed at that.

      Like I said above, its all bullshit, just come home alive.

      Hey, I have to sign off for the night, but we shall chat again soon.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        I knew he was Army also it was just a poorly written article but reading in between it was obvious.

        Still I have issues since the article was so poorly written and lacking vital info it makes me wonder what the true agenda is.

        What did this dummy think he was getting into? What the hell did he think was going to happen in boot? did this coward think it’s all brunch and jogging maybe going to the rifle range one? he didn’t enlist in the fucking Navy for Christ sakes he enlisted to be an Infantrymen. He went to Army Infantry basic training at Ft. Benning GA.

        Let me tell you as a graduate of that sand flea infested shit hole back when it was still tough it isn’t easy even the pussyfied way it is now. Especially since it’s job is to take lazy weak civilians boys and turn them into men that have the hardest job in the world standing fast while incoming fire is going on around you and being able to pull the trigger on another human being. That isn’t an easy thing to teach you have to dehumanize the enemy to some extent to change the way a normally wired human thinks about killing.

        This guy is a fucking douche bag and a coward. Did you see that article about the motherfucker who got a free education at Annapolis worth more then 100G which means he went on summer cruises and had lot of lots of info about Navy jobs and then pulled this conscientious objector crap? That coward “felt” he couldn’t turn the key on a missile boomer and nuke somebody. That motherfucker came to that conclusion AFTER completing Sub Officer School and was about to post to a boat. The Cocksuckers in the Navy let him out without even a whimper or weak demand for their money back. Fucking Navy they have the back bone of a five year old.

  16. just pillow talk says :

    So, no surprise here, Gamer sucked something fierce. Everything about it, camera work, story, dialogue, was horrible. Keith David should hang his head in shame for appearing in this.

    • Jarv says :

      Can’t say that’s a shock. Fuck that noise,

    • Droid says :

      I binned that shitfest after about 20 minutes. Unwatchable.

      • Jarv says :

        Not seen it.

        Talking about shitfests- Revenant review published.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Sigh…I was at that point too, but I decided to hunker down and finish the damn thing.

      • koutchboom says :

        I don’t get the Gamer hate. Its trashy fun. And Keith David god bless’em will appear in anything. I hate having to watch The Cape to see him, I think if he was the lead of the show it would be much more awesome though.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Oh no, it was not fun, trashy or otherwise. Sure, there was some boob to be seen, but the way the camera whipped around, the nauseous feeling overwhelmed the boob sighting. This is a hundred times worse than the Bourne movies, which people complain about.

      • koutchboom says :

        I dug it. Though I think their style does wear thin and doesn’t hold up on repeat viewings. Really interested to see what they do with Ghost Rider 2.

  17. Droid says :

    I’m enjoying my day off watching Misfits and working on my CV.

  18. Jarv says :

    What the hell happened to Ain’t it Bale News?

  19. Droid says :

    I swear I only went to put a load of washing on, and I now find myself with a beer in my hand. Like magic I tells ya!

    • koutchboom says :

      You really need to clean out your pockets better before you put them in the hamper.

    • Toadkillerdog says :

      So, I watched PoP last night it was CRaP!
      I did not expect much, which is why i refused to pay for it and waited until it hit cable, but sheesh.
      Ok, maybe the really lil kiddies mught have liked it, but it was bad filmaking all around, turrible editing and Jake was smirking through the whole dang thing. The comic relief was neither comical or a relief and the story and motivations – which shifted like the sands – pun, was just this side of stupid

      • koutchboom says :

        Hehehe I bunch of people lately have been forced to find out what the fuck POP is since it came on Cable the other week.

        I turned it on but ended up doing something in the other room all I heard was screaming and noise. Also any time I did check out the movie there was clearly a stunt man doing everything. Even easy shit like running. Between POP and Black Swan the movie S1m0ne is slowly becoming true.

  20. koutchboom says :

    Fucking e-mail. Two biggest pains in the ass these days. Dealing with e-mail, not responding to it whatever, but managing it. Every morning I come to work and my outlook tells me I’m running out of space.

    And ACTUAL mail. Dealing with all the shit you get sent, coupons you think you MAY use eventually bills you have no idea how long you should keep.

    Just think 30 years ago…these problems didn’t exsits. I’m sure there was mail but I doubt people got 1/4 as much spam mail as they do now.

  21. Droid says :

    Did we all hear the tragic news? 2 and a half men has been cancelled. No, thats not the tragic news. Charlie Sheen wants to shit on my childhood and return to the big screen as Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn.

    Truly a day of mixed emotions.

  22. Droid says :

    Jonah, not to be a stickler, but I think its Patrick Lussier not Lusser on your Drive Angry review. Posted this here so you wouldn’t have to delete my comment.

    BTW, for me, that movie is critic proof. I will be seeing it.

    • Jarv says :

      That’s a great review.

      I really want to see that now

    • Bartleby says :

      thanks man. because the screening was at 10:00 pm, I threw this together somewhere aroun 1 a.m. so my typing wasnt the best. Thanks for the catches. I always appreciate them. I fully expected you guys to be excited by Drive Angry so I tried to write the review froma perspective of what one would want to know about/see from it. I’ve kept some gems from you so theres still stuff to see.

      My guess is you will have fun and then wish that someone better had actually directed it so it could been something a bit more. And it really feels like it needed a few more passes through script land. It’s like Machete. You either love it or hate it. Its not my bag but I tried to convey that it mgiht work for others.

      Check out The Illusionist review (or just the movie) if you get the chance. I’m actually proud of that one and the movie is fantastic. Better than Triplets.

      • koutchboom says :

        Better than Triplets you say…..TONIGHT…..YOU.

        Hey you seen this odd French animation movie called Dragon Hunters. Its on Stars sometime today, I’ve set it to record but I’m sure it’ll be deleted by the time I arrive home.

        I’ve heard its not great but it has really good animation. Its on netflix instant but I wanted to see it in HD, but if I gets deleated today I’ll check it on instant. Its not on Starz again until April.

      • Bartleby says :

        Dragon Hunters, yes. I did see that. It has interesting animation with a lot of creativity put into it, but to be honest, it just isn’t that good. It feels very stilted and there’s just not much story there that isn’t generic. If they had spent as much time on everything else as they did on the design, it could have been something special. At any rate, it was better than Delgo. That thing was in production for like 7 years and turned out to be horrible.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah Delgo blew and looked like ass. I wonder if Dragon Hunters would’ve been better if it was subtitled not dubed.

      • koutchboom says :

        WHHHOOOAA!!! Way to undersell a movie there Echo. Dragon Hunters was fantastic. Amazing animation inventive worlds and dragons, some breath taking stuff. Great score as well. I thought the story was pretty good as well. Sure its a little generic but it does enough with the action and world that you don’t notice it. I think had the actual human design been as strong as everything else it would’ve been a amazing movie, also had they not made the little girl and side kick AS annoying. All in all it was really really good compared to what I was expecting. One of the better CGI films I’ve seen of late.

        I thought that it would be blown away by Dreamworks Dragons but it holds its own. Man Dreamworks could take some lessons from that film for how to do number two, at least in dragon creation. In fact I wouldn’t mind them just redoing the movie but with the Dreamworks Dragons characters, because that really was the weak point of Hunters stronger characters really could’ve made it. But all in all I was impressed. I wish Pixar would take more of a plunge with a more balls out adventure film like that. Incredibles has some adventure but its small and not as grandiose as seen here and in Dreamworks Dragons. I feel that Cars 2 is also going to be a weak attempt at some bigger action fare.

        Man though but between How To Train Your Dragon/9/Battle For Terra/Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs/Dragon Hunters and a HINT OF Kung Fu Panda, Animation is slowly taking over most basic action films. Add in The Illusionist (HOPEFULLY) and a hint of Gnomeo and Juliet and smaller animation companies are truly giving Pixar a run for their money.

        I’m really torn about Toy Story 3, while I’m fine with it getting all the accolades because it really is making up for the first two not being as harold as they should’ve been, it really is a weak entry in the world of Pixar and I think its time to acknowledge the merits of another animation studio. Mainly to give them some praise but also sort of sticking it to Pixar because once you tell them they aren’t number one….what do you think they are going to do? They will fucking up their game majorly which would judging buy their next line up of sequels only is something they really need right now.

      • Bartleby says :

        It wasnt just the dub, though subtitles id usually my preferene. Its that the characters arent very interesting. Strangely, that’s a problem with alot of French films, particularly in the fantasy genre. They look great but are barely there substance wise. Chomet is an odd duck because his films usually have like five lines of dialogue and yet there’s better character development than some dialogue heavy movies.

        Bad French fantasy springs to mind like Imortel, Le Samourais, Vidocq, Blood of Beasts, Dante o1. The listy goes on.

        I did just see an awesome french film though. called Of Gods and Men.

  23. kloipy says :

    going back to the previous comments, I’ve seen Moon more than once and for me it was even better. I like the story, the pacing, the effects and most importantly the competant directing and stellar acting.

  24. Xiphos0311 says :

    At lunch(which BTW Frank was a delicious sandwich) I borrowed a dudes IPAD and proceed to make a critical error. I did something I almost never do now, skim a Fatburgh TB. In the future if I insist doing something so monumentally stupid please for the love of all the Saints in heaven hit me as hard as you can in the head with a lead pipe. That would be less painful then reading the comments posted there.

  25. L Bronco says :

    Xi and Toadkillerdog-thank you both very much for your service to myself and also thank you for talking about working as soldiers.

    To thank you, I will share my favorite quote from my Marine buddy.

    He’s fine, doing well and all that jazz.

    He worked Desert Storm Uno in the early 1990s as a Recon Marine, and hardly says anything about it at all.

    Not that he’s pissed or PTSD’ed or anything-he’s a stubborn bastard, and he’s just over it completely.

    The quote is:

    “We all joined up to pay for college. That was a fucking stupid idea.”

    I don’t know if that seems funny to you guys, but you just had to know that stubborn bastard before he joined The Corps.

    He has now graduated college and all that jazz, but the guy actually cracked a joke.

    I fucking laugh every time I remember him saying that.

    A Marine cracking a joke is a special thing!


    Semper Fidelus!

    • koutchboom says :

      Have any of the military members seen The Tillman Story doc yet?

    • L Bronco says :

      Here’s the only other thing that’s worth quoting that he said.

      “I Hate Helicopters”

      Then he told the story of him and his guys being 2 miles out from a nice beach shore about 3000 feet up.

      The whole unit is packed into this thing, and a primary hydraulic line, that everybody can see, blows out.

      All of them are sitting there in real-time-and there isn’t a goddamned thing they can do except watch it slowly end their lives.

      That said, obviously the pilot landed them just fine.

      But he will always hate helicopters.

      Another reason I always thank service personnel, no matter what branch.


    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Bronco I’m the only one who worked as a soldier since I was in The Army before The Marines. Toad and I work/ed as Marines there is a difference.

    • Toadkillerdog says :

      Thanks for the kind words. Xi is right, he is the only one of us who was a soldier – but don’t hold that against him!

      Marines do have a sense of humor, we can even laugh at ourselves.

      I was based on an Army base in bumfuck Oklahoma for a good portion of my career – because Ft Sill is the worlds largest outdoor toilet and used tampon dumping grounds as well as the worlds largest artillery base. I fucking hate oklahoma!

      But I digress, I was subject to many a ‘good natured’ barb and jibe directed my way by the subhumans, er the fine gentlemen known as army soldiers.

      One of the funniest I heard skewers both the Marines and the swabbies(the only form of life lower than the army) in one fell swoop

      ‘Why did the navy allow marines on the ship?
      Because Sheep would be too obvious.’

      Ok, even I had to laugh at that one.

      I got even though, you can bet you ass I did.

      • L Bronco says :

        Ah, I now understand a not so subtle distinction.

        A soldier is not a Marine. A “soldier” works in the Army.

        A Marine works in the United States Marine Corps.

        Forgive my civilian-ass piss ignorance, I am spoiled, fat and pampered by hamburgers!

        When I see my other buddy back from Afghanistan, I will be sure to call him a “soldier”.

        I am quite sure he will appreciate the talking of shit.

        For this new found knowledge, I will attempt to recreate a joke to me told by two other buddies.

        One was a straight up Infantry Marine in training.

        The other was a swabbie (Navy) who has gone on to attempt to become a Navy SEAL.

        So the swabbie relates this briefing. (My technical jargon will completely incorrect, unresearched and possibly offensive, please forgive in advance).

        “The United States Army deploys Sikorsky B65 aerial troop platforms that utilize advanced aerlions in a force maintenance package that combines troop mobility with enhanced ballistics support for troops on the ground.

        The Army calls them “Choppers”.

        The United States Navy deploys Briggs and Stratton aerial mobility packages which are essential in fleet maintenance and motility-essential to force projection as well as fleet security.

        The Navy calls them “SeaBees”.

        The United States Marine Corps uses Helicopters.

        They point at them and call them call them “Duuuhhhhhhrrrrrrrrr”

        Those fucking guys were funnier than shit- I miss ’em, even though I’m sure they are both fine!

        Fucking assholes-we proceeded to beat the ever loving shit out of each other after that joke.


      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Uhhhhh Bronco SeaBees aren’t helicopters they are the construction battalions for the navy. The SeeBees are one of two swabbie units that are actually useful and employ men unlike 99.5% of the navy, the other useful swabs with actual man parts still attached are Hospital Corpsman, or if you’re Obama, corpse men.

  26. koutchboom says :

    DAMNIT! That live broadcast of the Danny Boyle Frankentien musical is not coming here, but in a town two hours from here.

  27. Jarv says :


    You ever read king rat?

    Clavell is a hack, but King Rat is genuinely a cut above.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Yep, I sure did, in high school about 100 years ago. It was based on Clavell’s POW experience if I’m remembering rightly.

      Very good book now I need to hit the used book store for a copy to take with me.

      • Tom_Bando says :

        One thing of his I ever read was Shogun-all freakin’ 1210 pages of it. That really didn’t need to be even half that long. It was alright though, all things considering, Richard Chamberlain and all that.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Shogun was a bit of a slog, it could easily have lost about 500 page.

  28. L Bronco says :

    For Xi:

    I’m reading Pressfields “Virtues Of War”.

    It’s about Alexander The Great, and I’m kind of thinking it’s so-so about a third of the way in.

    I will definitely finish it here pretty quick-I’ll do a micro-review when I do so.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      There are two books by Pressfield, The Virtues of War and Tides of War, that appeal to nerds like me that are into those eras of history. Gates of Fire, The Afghan Campaign and Killing Rommel are much more accessible.

      I guess there could be 3 since I never read the Amazon book and Pressfield’s first book was The Legend Of Bagger Vance which had nothing to do with military history. The book shit all over that awful mystical black man tripe with Giant Head and The Fresh Prince.

  29. lb says :

    Jarv, Droid:

    England V. India in Cricket world cup-how the fuck did I not know about this?!?

    Tell me-who will win?

    I need to know. ;-p

  30. ThereWolf says :

    I’m not having much luck with the flicks at the moment. The run began with ‘Passengers’. Then midweek I saw ‘The Lovely Bones’ – what the fuck happened there? How unbalanced is that? The ‘afterlife’ stuff just doesn’t sit with the rest of the film. Bad misfire from Jackson…

    Tonight, fuck me, Underpants 3: Rise Of The Lycrans. I mean, I’m in love with Rhona Mitra but… an utter, utter tripe-fest. This is coming from someone who quite liked the other two.

    A hat-trick of mince. I wrote a rant about ‘Passengers’ straight after watching it as well, didn’t mean it for a review, just to vent off really. Maybe I should post that here…

  31. ThereWolf says :

    Apologies if you’ve already had a discussion about this & I’ve missed it but…

    Prometheus – Ridley Scott’s ‘Alien’ prequel… that might not necessarily be a prequel.

    Thoughts anyone? I’m slightly more interested now…

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      They had a post at fat town that implied that Prometheus is closer to being prequel then it was portrayed to be earlier. Of course it’s Fatburgh so grain of salt and all that

      • ThereWolf says :

        I haven’t been over to Blubberburgh for quite some time.

        Do they still post the Twitch column? Thems were the days…

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        yeah there is still a Twitch it gets about 10 posts maybe and usually a few of them is Pillow being sensible and me stomping on Goatfuckers throat if he raises his pointy head.

      • ThereWolf says :

        Asimov doesn’t usually gravitate toward Twitch…

        He didn’t piss me off as much as others, but he was (is) far too shrill.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        I don’t care about him at all. I just enjoy making him lose his shit. Other then that he is useless to me.

        In the early days of Twitch before it became TWITCH he use to come around. I think Jarv’s constant berating made him flee like a Frenchman facing a German.

      • ThereWolf says :

        Honestly, I just felt sorry for him. I don’t know whether stuff was getting lost in the translation, but I’ve not seen many so narrow minded as him. Yet in the middle of it all he’d come up with a sliver of intelligence now & again.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        I think that was just him he’s just smart enough to be a jackass. A very thinned skinned narrow minded jackass.

    • Tom_Bando says :

      I found Goathumper to the Loathsome and extremely easy to get going. I just don’t care-the whole ‘Abrams Trek is the filmic Anti Christ’ is bollocks, and let’s be honest–you’re not going to get very far with anyone forever screaming at the top of your lungs in disagreement.

      Plus the man’s pajamas are obviously encrusted in goat semen, it’s high time he retired the spock ears and fed himself to the Jesuits.

  32. Droid says :

    Just watched The Green Hornet. I know most of you folks dislike Seth Rogen (I have nothing against him), but bugger me if I wasn’t highly entertained by the film. A pretty damn fun flick.

  33. koutchboom says :

    Is that out yet? I also heard they were making a cartoon.

  34. Jarv says :

    Watching The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

    Fuck me is this film completely overrated. It’s dull as he’ll from about the one third mark and I really want to turn it off but the wife is loving it.

    Only redeeming feature is Noomi Rapace in the lead who looks like a strangely fuckable Camden Goth but can also act.

    Not opposed to Fincher having a stab at this at all- can’t be worse.

    • Jarv says :

      Man am I pig sick of watching films that can only be described using the words “and then this happened”.

      It comes up so often nowadays- that shit Tell No One and again with TGWTDT.

    • Echo the Bunnyman says :

      Strange. I really liked the first one, the one you just watched. Alot, in fact, the first time I saw it. But it does have a slower pace. It is good though.

      The sequels however really are just placeholders, extending the story for no really good reason.

      I think Ms. Jarv is right on this one.

      And regarding Green Hornet above, dear lord, the 3D in that was awful. It made me want to punch myself in the face except I didnt need to as the movie was doing it for me. Unfortunately, except for the scene where Kato beats the everloving crap out of Rogen, I wasn’t much amused.

      Like Tigh Fighter said, mediocre.

      • Jarv says :

        It was another film best described with “and then this happened”

        It wasn’t awful just completely meh and if you take Rapace out totally unremarkable.

  35. Continentalop says :

    Academy Awards today. Hollywood is closed down making it a nightmare for me to get in and out of my pad.

    Going to a party tonight. Hope to get seriously “pissed”, as our English compatriots would say.

  36. MORBIUS says :

    Avatar 2 spoof trailer . . .

  37. MORBIUS says :

    Girl Walks into a Bar . . .

    • Continentalop says :

      I hate to say it but that looks like it could be good. Has a early 90’s independent movie vibe – Pulp Fiction, Smoke, Night on Earth, Mystery Train, etc.

      Of course it could be like Blue in the Face or Four Rooms which means it could suck…

  38. Tom_Bando says :

    So I saw the King’s Speech, and really it’s intelligently made, the acting is top notch, sincere, I actually found I gave a crap about Bertie and his stuttering. Rush and Firth are great. See it and give it a chance if you can.

    • Spud McSpud says :

      Unless you’re Jarv, in which case save yourself the aneurysm and don’t bother 😉

      • Tom_Bando says :

        That’s okay, he’s prob. just ‘too close to the material’ to buy into the Hollywood treatment here of Earnest and Bertie. I liked it fine, not in a huge hurry to see it again ASAP but you know–I am a Geoffrey Rush fan so if you like him, you should like the movie.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah I’ve been wanting to see it, but it looked like a good renter rather than shelling out cold hard cash for the multiplex experience.

      • Spud McSpud says :

        And once again WHAT WOULD TYLER DURDEN DO manages to succinctly sum up the Oscars in one fell swoop:

        “The 2011 Academy Awards were last night, and the big winner was The Kings Speech, the inspiring story of king who sits in his castle and eventually gives a speech on the radio without fucking it up.”


        And extra commendations to the man for keeping me abreast of the Charlie Sheen Saga, which is the funniest fucking thing since the Mad Mel Meltdown of 2010, which is the funniest thing since the Great Bale Rant of Professionalism of 2008!!

        As long as there is Charlie Sheen out there, fucking things up and fist-fucking the Reaper for all us sinners, there is hope, and there is joy.

      • Jarv says :

        “The 2011 Academy Awards were last night, and the big winner was The Kings Speech, the inspiring story of king who sits in his castle and eventually gives a speech on the radio without fucking it up.”

        Nice. Wish I had said that.

  39. Droid says :

    Morning peoples, not much doing today. Got the day off. Just watched Fierce People, which is good but a bit of an uncomfortable watch. Some good performances there, particulary Chris Evans and Donald Sutherland.

    Yesterday I watched Say Anything, which is great. Also Fringe and the latest two eps of Supernatural. One of which is terrible, and the other which is hilarious. Misha Collins had me ROTFLMAO. Very funny episode.

    Just looked at the list of Oscar winners. That’s gotta be the most boring list of winners in history. What a waste of time.

    • koutchboom says :

      Yeah I watched White Squall, Silence of the Lambs and A League of Their Own this weekend and made me miss the days when Oscar winning movies meant something.

      OH well I’m glad its over now the world can collective go about forgetting such films like Black Swan, just like they did to whatever wasn’t Avatar last year.

  40. Frank Marmoset says :

    As you all know, last night was an important one for awards. That’s right, it was the first annual Golden Monkey ceremony, in which I give out stuff to whatever the hell I like. Here are the winners:

    Best Film – Inception
    Best Director – Christopher Nolan
    Best Screenplay – The Social Network
    Best Actor – Jesse Eisenberg
    Best Actress – Natalie Portman
    Best Supporting Actor – Christian Bale
    Best Supporting Actress – Melissa Leo
    Best Animated Film – Toy Story 3
    Best Comedy – Easy A
    Best Documentary – Exit Through The Gift Shop
    Bitch Slap Award For Faux Lesbianry – TIE: Black Swan/Piranha 3D
    Best Use Of Boob In A Motion Picture – Piranha 3D
    Best Use Of 3D Half Eaten Penis In A Motion Picture – Piranha 3D
    Most Oddly Enjoyable Piece Of Crap – My Soul To Take
    Lifetime Achievement Award – Nicolas Cage (NOTE: Mr Cage will win this award every damn year)

    Unfortunately, none of the winners were able to make it to the ceremony, which is a shame because I put on a pretty good spread. There’s a lot of food going to waste here, so please contact me if you’re hungry and I’ll e-mail you a leftover sandwich.

    • koutchboom says :

      Hahah to add to that I found this about Finding Nemo:

      The reaction to the film by the general public has led to environmental devastation for the clown fish and has provoked an outcry from several environmental protection agencies, including Marine Aquarium Council, Australia. Apparently the demand for tropical fish skyrocketed after the film’s release. This has caused reef species decimation in Vanuatu and many other reef areas.[25]

      Even more bizarre, after seeing the film, some aquarium owners released their pets into the ocean, but the wrong ocean. This has introduced species harmful to the indigenous environment and is harming reefs worldwide as well.

      I guess people claim that Finding Nemo is a rip off od some smell French children’s book but I guess that case was settled in court and Disney won.

      • Bartleby says :

        ha. that’s a great story. The French love to claim the source material for everything. I’d imagine that it’s not too hard to accidentally replicate the story of a little fish trying to locate his family in the ocean.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well reading this thing about the French guy he says he copyrighted it back in 1995 and shoped the idea around to a bunch of animation studios back then, but didn’t release a book till like 2003 and it came out after the movie. I wonder if Pixar gave him some money and told him to shut the fuck up.

      • Bartleby says :

        Koutch, did you read about this guy who was asking for millions of dollars on ebay for the rights to some story he had which he claimed would be the next ‘Lord of the Rings,. Matrix, Star Wars) and he was looking for a buyer that would meet him so he could give them the idea, tell them said idea, and then make them sign a clause for legality sake. Idiot.

      • koutchboom says :

        hahahah I wonder if he’s my former room mate who had written a book he discribed as LOTR’s like. He was a bit nutty.

      • Droid says :

        Hey, I still maintain it’s a guaranteed hit. You interested?

      • koutchboom says :

        Only if you have a buy it now option.

  41. koutchboom says :

    Anyone seen Red Sun? With Toshirō Mifune and Bronson? I guess Shanghai Noon is a rip off of it. Sounds pretty cool.

    • Bartleby says :

      Red Sun is a fun movie with lots of flaws. Worth watching though.

      SN didn’t rip it off because Mifune is a Japanese samurai, not a Chinese martial artist, and that’s a big difference namely because there’s a closer correlation between western gunslingers and ronin samurai. Remember that there was a lot of mutual inspiration/adaptation happening between Kurosawa and co. and American westerns at the time. The whole Fistful of Dollars to Yojimbo and then Seven Samurai to Magnificent Seven.

      Shanghai Noon might have thought about the benefits of that genre mashup but the resulting product is quite different. The Warrior’s Way (also well different from RS) probably drew more inspiration from Red Sun.

    • Tom_Bando says :

      Yeah I have on tv in bits and pieces, it has it’s moments.

  42. Bartleby says :

    Speaking of rip-offs Koutch, I just saw some indie trailer for a movie called Age of Dragons, with Danny Glover playing Ahab hunting—wait for it—a great white dragon. The hilarious part is that its pitched as something original like no one on the cast had even heard of Reign of Fire. Looks about like a SYFY movie, except with a nutty DG performance. I put the trailer on the front page of PCN. Its probably going to be dippy.

  43. L Bronco says :

    For Xi-

    Finished Pressfield’s “Virtues Of War”-whoo boy was that a humdinger-just started off a tad bit slow.

    Makes you wonder how Oliver Stone could so righteously fuck up Alexander’s story-there’s lots of juicy bits-too many to name, really.

    Ends up I crossed his path twice while running around Turkey-neat stuff!

    ‘Course, in that part of the world-how could you not?

    Thoroughly enjoyed.

  44. just pillow talk says :

    Fucking car wouldn’t start this morning…battery basically exploded it looked like…corrosion everywhere. I had to get it towed. And it’s been pouring out. And it’s fucking Monday.

    Would have been perfect day to stay home with the dog, drink guiness and watch movies. But no, I’m at fucking work.

    So for the weekend watched Jonah Hex, it was ok, I was expecting far worse. Dinner with Schmucks, which was very slow for most of the movie, but it did have some very funny spots. Push, which was not good. I think the concept was okay, but the execution of the movie was not. But the weekend was redeemed by watching Outlander again. I put that movie right alongside the Thirteeth Warrior…both movies make me quite happy while watching them.

  45. just pillow talk says :

    Oh, and I caught some of The Tournament, about some elimination game involving assassins. Ving Rhames is trying to track down one of his fellow assassins who killed his wife.

    Suffice to say it wasn’t worthwhile to stay up for.

  46. Jarv says :

    Fuck me. You go away from Work for a few days and come back to hundreds of emails from Keyboard happy bastards.

    Anyhoo at the weekend, I watched:

    Re-Animator which was mint
    Witches of Eastwick
    Party Monster- this is utter shit, apart from one genuinely brilliant scene at the end
    and a lot of Rugby which necessitated mucho beer.

  47. Jarv says :

    Oh, and fuck the Oscars. That was the least imaginative sweep up for a film in a long time.

    The Razzies on the other hand, gave it all to The Last Airbender. Which is funny, apart from that the SATC hags won a deserved gong.

  48. Jarv says :

    I’ve just discovered that there is a restaurant in London that sells Breast Milk Ice Cream for £15 a fucking scoop. That’s a) horrible and b)daft.

    Who the fuck pays that? Where do they get it from? and is it hygienic?

    Seriously, enquiring minds must know (but not enough to pay the £15).

  49. Bartleby says :

    Okay, so I was formatting everything in PCN (back to the original format because I found its more felxible for putting ads on, which Im setting up this week. I found the PCN Summer Flashback series that most of you wrote entries for. Damn, that was a good series. I just read through Jarv’s Cube review, Droid’s Kingpin take, and There’s Contact one. Kloipy’s Blair Witch and Bnando’s Con Air were good too. I forgot Kloipy’s BWP had that pic of Murph peering out of darkness.

    Eitherway, I was thinking it would be good to start that series again, as it was porbably one of the most interesting running series. I’m ffinally in a place to regularly post stuff again, so I was wondering if anyone would like to do a flashback piece from time to time? Instead of summer, I’d probably just do movies in general, from whatever year you like, corresponding to a release date and publishing the article that day.

    Any one here interested in being a part of that?

    Note to Conti: Now that I’ve got all the kinks worked out on the site, I’m starting the Dark Corner again. I’ll put your review up tonight. I wanted to sit on it until I could properly promote it.

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