Burt Gummer’s Rec Room- March 2011 Archive

A gathering place for firearms enthusiasts, paranoid survivalists and those who worship at the Church of Chang.

March is here and it’s a beautiful start to Spring in Perfection. It’ll be Graboid hunting season again soon, though…

Disclaimer: This is the part of the Church that is the most no holds barred. None of it is intended with malice, and although it can on occasion seem a little bit fraught, it is banter rather than venom.

4,016 responses to “Burt Gummer’s Rec Room- March 2011 Archive”

  1. Droid says :

    Have you guys seen the trailer to The 3D Musketeers? Jesus tittyfuckingchrist it looks abysmal.

  2. Droid says :

    Screw this noise. I’ve got tonight free so I’m going to leave work right on 5, grab some beer and play PS3.


    • Jarv says :

      Me too.

      Off home to watch some shit and write a few reviews.

      See you in a bit.

      • L Bronco says :

        O.o, speaking of video games-after long and tortured decision -making-I have ordered Fallout New Vegas instead of Dragon Age 2.

        Yes, it;s a momentous decision-because Dragon Age One is arguably top 5 video games of all-time/all platforms.

        Unfortunately, the word on the street for Dragon Age 2 is “rush job” “like the first game, but dumber, more linear, more cartoon gory”.

        Be assured, I will pick it up at some point, but my new magic number is $30 US for even first run games on PC, no game is worth more than that.

        It will be a while before I can give reviews, but I will yack soon.

      • Jarv says :

        Heard that about Final Fantasy 14 as well. Hoping that it gets fixed before the PS3 version.

  3. MORBIUS says :

    For your perusal . . . or not.

    New Twitch up at WhingeWorld(TM)


  4. Droid says :

    I’m watching The Mechanic. Theres a fucking boom mic hovering at the top of the screen throughout an entire scene! Seriously, fucking amateur. How can shit like that happen anymore?

    • Jarv says :

      Funny when that happens. You think someone would have noticed.

      • Droid says :

        Its not like a quick “oops, that was the boom mic”. It’s hovering through an entire shot, and then they cut away and back to the same shot! It’s against a white wall background, so it’s completely obvious. It would be so easy to get some intern to photoshop it out. Just cut a chunk of the white wall and paste it over it for each frame. It’s really bad.

      • Jarv says :

        Which Mechanic are you watching? The Stath one?

        I watched Gore-Gore Girls a bit ago, and am just debating what poop to inflict on myself now before Mrs. Jarv gets home.

        Anyhoo, Dead Space: Aftermath scheduled from 12pm tomorrow. So, I’m up to date so far. I’ll bash the rest of them out tomorrow night, then I’m done for the week.

      • Droid says :

        Yeah it’s the Stath one. It was a bit average. Typical Stath action movie. Simon West’s a bit of a dud director.

  5. koutchboom says :

    Two things:

    Play with this:


    and Frank you need to watch this its tag line was made for you: “Dead men don’t rape”


  6. Xiphos0311 says :

    What did I watch this weekend? let’s see season 6 and 7 of Entourage, yeah i know, but in my defense I can’t leave a series unfinished. The show can’t end soon enough season 7 was awful. Also watched a couple of episodes of Californication season 3, Hank and Runkel’s fidget ex wife makes me laugh.

  7. Xiphos0311 says :


    I seriously think you should go see a doctor you might have a bad inner ear problem or maybe a tumor if you thought the scene with Nantz and the 1st Sergeant in the 1st Sergeants office was “shaky cam”. All I remember from that scene is two guys talking over a desk and the camera making a couple right left pans and that’s it.

    Maybe the film projector was loose and needed to be dogged down tighter but as far as there “shaky cam” in that scene I don’t remember there being any at all.

    • Droid says :


      I thank you for your concern over my health and well-being. I also appreciate that you’re obsessively enthusiastic about being right when it comes to this movie. I can assure you I am in good health and the cinema projector at the Shaftesbury Avenue Cineworld was indeed mounted correctly, being both stable and balanced.

      I believe that if you were to view the film again, putting to one side your aggressively defensive mindset, you might be able view the film from a fresh perspective.

      But at the end of the day, you have your opinion of the film, and I have mine. Which overall aren’t dissimilar. Why not call it a day on the matter of “shaky cam” and agree that it was a pretty decent movie overall.

    • Spud McSpud says :

      I have to say, I just saw BATTLE LOS ANGELES today for the first time, and I fucking LOVED it. I’d agree with Droid that the camera movement in the office scene was totally unnecessary – it actually detracted slightly from Eckhart’s tour de force performance, which is great from the word go – but I wouldn’t call it shaky-cam as such, just a little over-fond of the old whip-pan-zoom to the left, which was only really necessary to acclimatise you to the whizz-bang shaky-cam that was soon to come.

      The whole jingoism/patriotism debate, to me, boils down to this with BLA: this is the movie Michael Bay wishes he could make, every time he makes it. The choice of music whenever there is a speech extolling the virtues of being a Marine can veer toward the manipulative, but not enough to detract from the scene to me – in fact, it walks the fine line between sincerity and over-the-top very well, and keeps the movie the right side of serious. The speech about the men he lost in previous battles was brilliantly delivered, and (again, for me) this movie is one of the best I’ve seen for a while in how it presents the military and their place in America. Yes, it’s heavy on how great it is to be a Marine; yes, it’s very much “We’d all DIE for this land we defend”, but isn’t that the point of the movie?? That in the end, in a battle so overwhelming and so almost unwinnable, all it comes down to is fighting for the man beside you and the ground you are defending? Fuck, I don’t care what ANY of the critics that hated this movie say – if there was ever an infantry-led ground assault on Earth by bugs from outer space, the one place I’d want to be is near a unit like Nantz’s in that movie. They do compare him to John Wayne at one point (and then further mythologise Nantz by saying “John Wayne who?”, which I loved) but then that’s the character – he’s a hardass, and he needs to be the hardass, because when something hapens to disrupt the chain of command (and you KNOW something is going to happen – I won’t spoil it, but not everybody gets home in this movie) you just know Nantz will be the de facto leader, and indeed that’s where he ends up – in the lead. Eckhart is fucking incredible in this – fuck Diesel and the Rock, Nantz would take them BOTH down in FAST FIVE – and M-Rod manages the not inconsiderable feat of making it through an entire movie without being annoying (a first for me). The SFX are exceptional (and yes, SKYLINE’S Strause Bros SFX company was one of however many the movie used) and the on-the-ground feel was utterly adrenalizing and absolutely involving. The skirmish on the blown up freeway where they’re rappelling the civilians off the road had me right on the edge of my seat. Fucking brilliant, the best alien movie since DISTRICT 9, and one of my favourites for this year.

      Could have done with a lesbian scene involving Mila Kunis, but not every movie can be BLACK SWAN 😀

      • koutchboom says :

        Hehee fuck there were lots of scenes sexier in Battle LA then that fucking dyke scene in Swan. I’d put that down as worst sex scene in history.

      • Spud McSpud says :

        Wasted on you, koutch. Utterly wasted ;P

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        The “John Wayne” scene you referenced was one of the most powerful scenes in the movie for all of it’s subtly and Eckhart understated performance during it, he was superb. The way Eckhart looked and acted after his successful ambush, he had that “I want to be anywhere but here” look on his face but realizing he had to pull his shit together, that he was losing very fast, becasue these kids needed him to keep them alive was perfect. He knew he wasn’t “John Wayne” He was a good solid career Marine NCO doing his job and trying to keep the kids intact more or less.

        Because Spud you’re feeling rough, tough and like you can’t get enough you get this honorary atta boy:

      • Spud McSpud says :

        That’s exactly what I loved about it, Xi – the cynics could argue that the characters in BATTLE: LOS ANGELES are stereotypical for movie Marines, ie there’s the grizzled veteran, the scared newbie, the cool-under-fire guy who sacrifices himself at the end of Act II – but then, I would imagine those characters probably all exist (or have existed) many times over since the Marine Corps was created. So the scene in the bus, which cynics would slam as being too obvious or whatever, are actually among the most powerful because that’s exactly how I imagine it’d be: Nantz has just nearly got himself killed for them all, and though he needs the cheers he gets to build himself up, inside he’s scared shitless, but trying not to let that get to everybody else. That’s one of the big strengths in this movie – that it shows how the machinsmo, the banter, the building-each-other-up stuff is absolutely essential to all their survival, because without it, they’re all a hair’s-breadth away from losing it. I loved the whole “Secure that shit!” scene because, again, it shows Nantz to be the natural leader. Eckhart’s face when he tells the Lieutenant (was he Lt? Can’t remember) he’ll follow him wherever but he must make a decision, is excellent – you can see under the surface that Nantz knows his superior is making the wrong call, but that sometimes, in a really bad situation, there’s no right call (as we hear from him later). B:LA gets across that idea that a leader has to appear to know what he’s doing even if he doesn’t, because he has men to lead, and if they feel aimless or unfocussed, they’re that much closer to losing their shit. And Eckhart’s performance is brilliant in this regard.

        Not to mention, the scene where Nantz is trying to figure out how to kill the alien is really gnarly. I’m sitting there thinking “they might have acid for blood! Has Nantz not seen ALIEN?” but in that situation, you’d have to take the chance, there’s no time for a full autopsy.

        There’s a LOT to recommend for that movie, but for once I think a movie has got the fine line of rooting for the Marines (but not making it over-the-top sentimental or cheesy) absolutely right. Critics of this movie should imagine it made by Michael Bay, with Willis as Nantz, and thank God that somebody with talent and imagination got there first.

        And cheers for the cadence 😀 RETREAT HOW??

  8. LBronco says :

    Oh good lord, I have just recently had a bracing conversation on twitter with a Twitter agent by the name of Tim Stotz.

    He is a scoundrel, a knave and a horse stealing sonuvabitch.

    His propitious ponderings about Inception has pointed out to my finely tuned academic eye that perhaps we have found a candidate for a Drunken Cinema Candidate Motion picture Feature.

    That would be 1984’s “Dreamscape” starring Dennis Quaid.

    In which people muck about in dreams, with nunchuks in an epic motion picture that is probably so painfully dated that it may make marcel DuChamp spin about in his grave dreaming of a neo Dadaistic art movement.

    Said epic motion picture is available on lovefilm for instant viewing, and I encourage all moonwolvians to harken their opinions about possibly viewing said picture as a massed conglomerate.

    Do be so kind as to respond to this correspondence, forthwith. The Indians are attacking our outlying forts as we speak, and I fear very much for continued fortitude.


    -L Bronco.

    • Jarv says :

      I don’t know what to watch tonight. I wanted to watch Enter the Ninja (for my epic 3 part Ninja series) but it’s not on instant watch. I may go with that Dreamthing.

    • Spud McSpud says :

      DREAMSCAPE is a stone-cold Drunken Cinema CLASSIC, and said horse-thieving sonuvabitch is definitely onto something.

      All I remember is the weaselly dude from THE WARRIORS and COMMANDO being the bad guy, and having finger knives in the same year that Wes Craven created NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET. I have always – ALWAYS! – wondered who got the idea first.

      Yep, DREAMSCAPE is a classic. Dennis Quaid using the unfathomably awesome power of being able to enter the dreams of others, to enter Kate Capshaw’s dream and mind-fuck her. Of all the things he could have done – hey, at least it’s realistic 😀

      Excellent stuff. We MUST do DREAMSCAPE!!

      • Jarv says :

        Next up is Split Second. Which is The shiznit.

        Don’t know when we’ll do it for. We need to organise a time when everyone is free that isn’t a weekday. I’m thinking about the night before the Royal Wedding, so we get the bank holiday to recover

      • Spud McSpud says :



        Insane genius.

    • koutchboom says :

      LB did you tell him: “FILL YOUR HANDS!”

  9. Jarv says :

    Good idea Bronco.

    When we do the next one, it’ll be the almighty BIGGER GUNS fest of Split Second-

    *Scream as a Ratmonster that may or may not be Satan takes a big hunk out of Kim Cattrell

    *Gasp at the awesome special effects of man in unconvincing bike leathers

    *Applaud when they enunciate their desire to procure suitably oversized armaments, immediately.

    *Laugh at high-end British Thesps speaking to each other in overly-macho statements

    *Cheer when Rutger calls a guard dog “dickhead”


  10. Jarv says :

    Last night-

    Wrote two reviews, because I’m very nice.

    Also watched: Gore-Gore Girls. Which is what would happen if Satan did Poirot. Gruesome, boring whodunnit with mucho-jug on display and a fucking brilliant (as in brilliantly stupid) motive for the killings.


    Polycarp AKA Kinky Killers. Was promised low budget serial killer/ satanic nonsense. Was not promised Michael Pare disgracing himself in a ropy as fuck soft porn with a ridiculous and confusing ending. Polycarp? More like Polycrap.

  11. Jarv says :

    Cricket today. Lankan’s v Kiwis.

    Lankans to win, because I think they’ve more chance of beating India than the Kiwis. I wish the games were the other way round, because if Pakistan win, then I’d root for the Kiwis in this game.


  12. Jarv says :

    All by myself.

    The monkey works from home, so won’t surface until Jeremy Kyle finishes. Droid will be stuck on the tube licking a fat man’s armpit for hours.

    What shall I do? I suppose I could do some work, but I don’t want to.

  13. Jarv says :

    Pah. Load of bollox.

    Typesetting/ Designing 2 newsletters.

    Website redo again.

    Press Release to go out.

    Mind you, I’m nearly on short hours again soon, before holiday.

  14. Jarv says :

    Spam is getting a lot more profound-

    I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.

    Which is all very impressive until you discover that they’re flogging viagra.

  15. Droid says :

    Watched The Mechanic last night, which was decidedly average. The end was crap, plus the aforementioned boom mic. Stath is like The Rock. I want to like his movies, but he keeps making average to crap.

    After that I shot bullet shaped pixels at man shaped pixels on the PS3.

    • Jarv says :

      I had that feeling watching Death Race.

      The opening is quite good, but the rest of the film sucks a fat dong, and there’s no satisfying pay off killing the warden. Also, there were two many other racers so I didn’t really care what happened to them,

      Anderson says it is a prequel to the Corman one, which misses the point horribly. The only bright spark was that Latina chick that played his navigator who looks really dirty. Even though her existence on the planet had Mrs. Jarv in a most unreasonable huff (see also Salma Hayek, Eva Mendes and any other Latina Woman not called chick out of Ugly Betty or, weirdly, Penelope Cruz).

      • Droid says :

        Mrs Jarv must constantly be in a huff then.

      • Jarv says :

        Well, you may note the lack of famous hot Latina women in films we own/ watch. Seriously, aside from Almodovar (which is Cruz), there aren’t any.

        Alba doesn’t count, apparently, because

        1) She’s a moron
        2) She never takes her clothes off
        3) She makes films I hate.

        Also, for some reason, Bellucci doesn’t count either. This is a good thing.

  16. Droid says :

    McCullums out. Kiwis need to post 270+ here.

    • Jarv says :

      They’re fucked. That Sri Lanka batting is scary.

      Although I don’t know why they’re playing Murali- he’s apparently only 65% fit.

      • Jarv says :

        Also- you see Ponting resigned the captaincy.

        Should have retired full stop.

      • Droid says :

        Yeah I saw that. He should’ve stepped down as Captain after the last english Ashes series. Then he could’ve staked a claim as a batsman. Now it’s probably too late and they won’t (possibly shouldn’t) pick him for the Bangers tour.

      • Jarv says :

        I think he’s shot anyway now. You’re right- he should have hung up the boots after 2009.

        Wasn’t the problem that there was nobody to take over from him.

      • Droid says :

        SL batting is good. But not scary. You’re just going on the inept England bowling performance. Apparently this wicket heavily favours the team that bats first. Which shines an even less favourable light on the England team.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m not.

        England were at minimum 50 runs light through scoring far too slowly. No scoreboard pressure in a ODI in SL means that the chances of wickets falling are 0, because nobody needs to rush or take a risk, the bowling was crap, but not as bad as they made it look. However, any side with Dilshan, Tharanga, Sangakarra and Jayawardene in it is a frightening line up- you only need one of them to come off and you’re staring down the barrel.

        Not as scary as India’s ridiculous line up, but their bowling is crap.

        SL= most balanced side in the competition. Great batting and really good sub-continent bowling. India has great batting and outside of ZK shite bowling and the Pakis have great bowling and shite batting. NZ? Well, they’ve done well, but this is too much for them.

      • Droid says :

        Well, Clarke is the natural successor. But he was in the headlines for all the wrong reasons around that time (he left the tour of NZ to deal with his fiance), and he fell a bit out of favour with CA and the public (which actually influences the decision a fair amount). Now that Clarke’s back in favour, he’s seen as the likely candidate (and really, who else is there?). We don’t do interim captains. We do long term. It’s Clarke or bust.

      • Jarv says :

        He’s hopelessly out of form, and has been for a while. Not to mention that his back is fucked.

        If Ponting had gone in 2009, then yes, Clarke or bust. Now?

        Fuck knows. Watson maybe? Haddin? I know that Aussies don’t give it to bowlers, and I’m not sure you’ve got any bowlers who could do the job (could you imagine the comedy if Mitchell’s Johnson got it). So it’s got to be a batsman guaranteed selection in both forms of the game. Katich if he comes back?

        It’s a quandary, and the Aussies have completely buggered succession planning.

      • Droid says :

        Clarkes not so out of form. He’s been good in the one day series and the world cup. Nothing amazing but he’s making runs. He did need a big innings though.

        Like I said, we don’t do interim captains. Watson, Haddin, Katich are all too old and would not be percieved as long term. Clarkes 29 and the right age to captain for the next 6 years (which is about how long we view long term).

        You also might not realise how coveted the role of Australian captain is in Australia. It’s considered one of the greatest honours an Australian can receive. It’s not taken lightly. It’s why Shane Warne was never seriously considered, despite being made vice captain under Mark Taylor (a sign of the successor). Ponting was in a bunch of shit early in his career. Gambling (it’s why he’s called Punter), drinking and getting into fights. He was essentially pulled aside and told that if he didn’t get his shit together he would never be captain. From that point on (when he was in the papers with a black eye after getting punched by a bouncer) he was squeaky clean.

        So all this rambling aside, Clarke will be the next captain. We haven’t buggered succession planning because Clarkes been successor for years.

      • Jarv says :

        I was thinking about tests actually- let me look it up.

      • Jarv says :

        Right- having checked. Clarke in the last 12 months:

        Runs: 367
        HS: 80
        Average 21.58
        100’s: 0

        That’s fucking dismal.

        Since November 2009-

        M: 17
        Runs: 1090
        Ave: 38.92
        100’s: 2
        50’s: 2

        Which is still crap, and propped up by 2 centuries against NZ and Pakistan (at home). The amount of below 30 scores in that list is really damning.

        I do get what a big deal the Aussie captaincy is, which is why I think succession planning has been bolloxed. Just as Ponting has to go, they’ve got to appoint a player that can’t buy a run in the most important bit of the game. This makes him a fixture for the next 5 years and if he turns it around, great, but if he keeps declining then there’s no alternative.

      • Droid says :

        Clarke in tests is out of form. But he hasn’t played a test since the beginning of January. The one day series and WC have been since and he’s looked okay. He’s got a tour of Bangladesh coming up. The perfect venue to regain his test form.

      • Jarv says :


        However, and this is a big one- form in ODI does not necessarily translate to tests, and his form in the WC has hardly been great-

        He got a 93 against Kenya and fuck all else.

      • Droid says :

        Yes, like I said, the tour of Bangladesh is the perfect venue to build up his form again, as well as to settle in to captaincy.

        One day form doesn’t always translate, no, but it is at the very least a stepping stone to improving his test form.

      • Jarv says :

        One day form doesn’t always translate, no, but it is at the very least a stepping stone to improving his test form

        He doesn’t have One Day form though. His only scores were against Kenya and Zimbabwe.

        Still, if ever a team is there to put a batsman right, it’s Bangladesh.

      • Droid says :

        He batted and captained well against England in the one day series.

        His only scores were against Kenya and Zimbabwe.

        He didn’t get much of a chance to bat against NZ and Canada. Not out both times for 20-odd. No chance at all against SL. Rained out. 34 against Pakistan. Should’ve made some more runs, sure. Failed against India.

        The last two he had a good opportunity to score runs and didn’t. But apart from that when he got the opportunity, he did score. Yes, the opposition was weaker. Again, it’s why I said Bangladesh is the best venue for him to regain his form.

      • Jarv says :

        He was OK against England, nothing more. And to be honest, by that stage England were flying players in from the Caribbean as an emergency. Liam fucking Plunkett is nowhere near the England side. Or at least he shouldn’t be.

        This is as if we appointed Ian Bell to the Captaincy- we’d be stuck with him underperforming no matter what (although we seem to be anyway). Not to mention that I remember reading that he’s not popular in the dressing room.

        Will be interesting to see what Australia do. As far as I reckon, you’d probably be better appointing someone from the state side, clearing out a lot of the incumbents (particularly the likes of Smith, Johnson, Kresja, Katich) and building for the future around players like Khawja. Like the Saffas did with that turd Graeme Smith.

      • Droid says :

        Using the statsguru thing on cricinfo, he averages 50.72 in 49 ODI matches over the past two years. That’s a good average in anyones book.

      • Jarv says :

        I didn’t use it. I just pulled the World Cup.

        Well, in that case, if his average is that high, then that makes my point even more. He’s been garbage in tests for the last year, but has a huge ODI average. Therefore, it clearly doesn’t translate in his case.

        Still, the Banglas give him a chance to post some monster scores so he can say for the next year “I’ve got a 70 average in the last 12 months” a la Bell.

      • Jarv says :

        Kiwis are fucked. 137 with 17 left means they’ll end up on an England-type 230.

        Need a lot more to get the Lankans taking risks- they’re more than capable of milking 5 an over.

      • Droid says :

        Hardly. That’s one of the more absurd statements you’ve made. The Sherminator is a notorious bunny when it comes to an innings that matters. He’s propped up by mauling the minnows, so when he fails against decent opposition the bleeding hearts can point to his average and say “No, he’s alright the little fella.”

        Are you saying that they should just promote some rookie from the state ranks straight into the Australian captaincy? You obviously don’t understand how it works in Australia. You do the time, and pay your dues. We don’t just make anyone captain. We leave that to the English.

      • Jarv says :

        We don’t actually. We tend to anoint people miles in advance as FEC. Cook is the next one.

        We also, however, when there is no candidate, tend to pick the best player for it.

        You’re missing my point. Picking Clarke as Captain guarantees that he’s captain for years, yes? And you accept that he’s been shit for at least a year, if not more, yes? I used Bell as an absurd example of someone that pads his average against the Banglas, what you’re advocating is that Clarke gets the captaincy, regardless of form, scores a shitload against the Banglas, and then carries on.

        There is no obvious candidate, which is why some Aussie Pundits- not English, were talking about North (North, FFS!) before the Ashes. I’m wondering if you might not be better breaking tradition and picking outside of the heir apparent- because there are so many problems with him as a selection.

        I actually want Clarke appointed for the Aussies. He’s a terrible, unpopular choice that’s only getting it because he’s next in line. In the longer term, I’m wondering if cutting the dead wood out of the Aussie side (as AB did) might not be the best answer for you- and that means looking properly at the State teams, not just picking people like Smith because “he’s got ticker”. Ticker’s great, but useless without talent.

        To be honest, though, until the Aussies do something about the Selectors, whoever is Captain is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

      • Droid says :

        Nah, I’m not missing your point. You’re trying to compare Clarke to Bell, and distorting my statements in the process. I’m not advocating Clarke “pad his average against the Banglas and carry on”. Nothing of the sort, because Clarkes career average does not need padding (unlike Bell’s). What I’m advocating is that Clarke use the Bangladesh tour to score some runs and get himself back into form. He’s been out of nick for a while and he simply needs to regain his touch and get back to averaging 45-50.

        Writing him off as you are doing is clearly the wrong way to go. It’s fickle. If England were to do that then you’d have a different 11 every test. Cook is the case in point. You’d never have got the performance you did from the Ashes if you’d booted him every time his form lapsed. Now everyone wants to swallow his length.

      • Jarv says :

        It’s reductio ad absurdia- taking an argument to an absurd conclusion. There’s no way that Bell would ever be within 1000m of the England captaincy.

        Look- I’m not saying that I know what the answer is, but appointing Clarke on a whim and a prayer because he’s next in line is behaviour that smacks of England in the 90’s.

        Which, incidentally, is who Australia remind me of at the moment- you’ve a core of old players, no captain/ a captain that his team doesn’t like, no bowlers of any substance (certainly not a spinner) and the problems start at the top with a terrible board of selectors who haven’t got a clue and undermine your best players.

        England pulled out of it when we started copying Australia, stripped the old farts out of the board, picked a Captain and Coach beyond the next in line. If they keep the selectors intact and go with Clarke then there’s severe problems ahead for the Aussies in the foreseeable future. I want this to be the case, but there’s a level of complacency that isn’t healthy about Cricket Australia and I can see it happening.

        You could do far worse than strip the board out- appoint Border, Waugh and Warne (for Christ’s sake get rid of that dickhead Hildeth) and then pick the best players- something you palpably aren’t doing with the continued shaftings given to the likes of Jacques and Hauritz. The Ashes thrashing should be a wakeup call, but it doesn’t look like it has been.

        Yup, everyone wanted Cook dropped before the Ashes- with some justification. Nobody could forsee that he’d turn that around like that. Just because Cook came good, doesn’t mean that it is certain to happen every time, and we’ve seen players that should be dropped stay in for far too long (Collingwood).

      • Jarv says :

        Kiwis are going to finish on less than 250.

      • Droid says :

        a captain that his team doesn’t like

        You keep harping on about this but nothing I have read indicates anything of the sort. Where do you reading it?

        For some reason you’ve got it into your head that appointing Clarke as Captain is a “wing and a prayer”. This is news to me, and every single Australian. Clarke has been the next in line for years. He’s been groomed to be the Australian captain. It’s not a surprise. He is the next in line. You may disagree with how it works, but thats the way it does work, and to think that it’s a “wing and a prayer” is clearly incorrect thinking.

      • Jarv says :

        It goes back to the story about Katich picking him up by his throat a few years ago- I got it from a load of Aussie papers that I was reading when I was doing the Ashes stuff on here. I’d not heard of it before because I’d never read Aussie papers.

        To say that every Aussie thinks it’s a good idea isn’t true- else there wouldn’t have been the chat about North (for the love of god) being a candidate.


        The above is a blatant piece of pro-Clarke spin, but there are enough stories in there of team mates denying him being a tool (although I think the Manou one is very harsh) for it to be suspicious. What is interesting, though, is that it quotes that only 16% of a Melbourne Poll thought he should be the next captain.

        You may disagree with how it works, but thats the way it does work, and to think that it’s a “wing and a prayer” is clearly incorrect thinking.

        Why? So what if he’s been groomed? On current form he shouldn’t be in the side and appointing him has several serious down sides. Firstly, he’s injury prone with a bad back. Secondly, he has been in poor form for a long time. Thirdly, he’s unpopular with his own team and a lot of Aussies (judging by the comments on Aussie papers, which, admittedly, I am assuming are from Aussies). Fourthly, he learnt his apprenticeship under Ponting. Who was hardly the best captain and Clarke will have a worse bowling attack than Ponting ever managed.

        You keep pretending things will be fine. They won’t be- and I say this from long and painful experience- until you do something about the hierarchy. The situation really is analogous with the fiasco England were in Pre-Hussein where Stewart was appointed because he was “next in line”. This culminated with us losing to the Kiwis at home and the slate being cleared of crap coaches and selectors. Fletcher and Nasser took over, and we rebuilt. It took a long time.

      • Jarv says :

        The team needs stability and a clear vision of what the team should look like in 2 or 3 years. If it means taking defeat or ordinary performances to blood young players so be it.

        Absolutely. You need some bastards at the top who are prepared to get rid of a lot of players. There are so many problems with the Aussie side that I don’t really know where to begin- this won’t happen under the current regime.

        First thing to do is become bloody hard to beat. Everything else stems from that.

      • Droid says :

        I do, however, think that AB/Waugh/Taylor would be good for CA. The team needs stability and a clear vision of what the team should look like in 2 or 3 years. If it means taking defeat or ordinary performances to blood young players so be it.

      • Droid says :

        To say that every Aussie thinks it’s a good idea isn’t true

        When did I say that every Aussie thinks it’s a good idea?

        This is news to me, and every single Australian. Clarke has been the next in line for years. He’s been groomed to be the Australian captain. It’s not a surprise.

        You said it’s a “wing and a prayer”, like he’s been chosen at random. Every Australian has known Clarke will be the next captain for years. How is that random?

        Why? So what if he’s been groomed?

        For the reasons I’ve just told you repeatedly. It’s the way it works in Australia. You guys can appoint a drunk one minute, then a selfish Saffa with no leadership skills the next. Both get dumped from captaincy within touching distance of their promotion. In Australia it’s different. We don’t appoint anyone captain unless it’s long term. Right or wrong, that’s how it works. Clarke has been groomed for years. Clarke will be the next Aussie captain. I don’t know how to make this any clearer. It’s not something I’m opining about. If I agree or not is beside the point, this is how it works and that’s what I’ve been saying.

        You keep pretending things will be fine.

        I’ve never said “things will be fine”. My last comment just stated clearly that I think things need to change.

  17. just pillow talk says :

    So I endured Skyline last night…

    If you’re a movie about Aliens landing on Earth, and you’re dealing with civilians, if you *must* show shit about their personal lives make it fucking interesting!!!! Fuck me, that beginning was rough. And then, except for an ill-advised attempt at leaving, they are stuck in the apartment building the entire time? Sigh…

    So the much fabled ending…yeah, it was crazy. You would think they would stay away from red brains. I’m not sure why our hero would be the one to have the red brain, I would think it would be one of the first that they would go “naaah, we don’t need this one, we’ve got plenty of other nice blue brains that will suit us better than this dumb fuck red brain.”

    And why was our hero the only one to get this superstrength from being exposed to the blue light special? I guess length does matter..heh…

    • Droid says :

      It’s better if you don’t ask questions, pillows. That can only lead to blue light madness.

      • just pillow talk says :

        This is a legit question: why weren’t some juggs whipped out?

        Stupid aliens wasting thier blue light power.

      • Droid says :

        Very good question, pillows. And an important one as well.

      • Jarv says :

        No juggs? In a film as silly as that one? Dropped right off my To Watch list.

        Why do people not use superhero powers to get juggs out? Wasteful.

      • just pillow talk says :

        3 attractive women + 6 potential jugg sitings = 0 actual seen boobage in the world of blue light.

        And yet I flip through and catch a bit of We Own the Night, and Eva got some nipple out on the couch. In 2 minutes of viewing We Own the Night I got more than all that encompassed blue light world.

    • koutchboom says :


  18. Jarv says :

    Fixed the time coding on the site (it was off by an hour).

    So Dead Space: Aftermath review/ me ranting is now live

  19. Droid says :

    Kiwis making a meal of this. Damn you!

  20. Droid says :

    You know who’s a shitty bowler? Malinga. The cunt never bowls anything but yorkers or low full tosses attempted yorkers.

  21. koutchboom says :

    Ok Jarv I learned some very important news regarding the Black Swan Controversy 0 Eleven. The DVD fucking comes out TODAY…..sooo yeah I got dupped. All that nonsense had to be just to bring up some interest in the film right before DVD release. I thought it came out the tuesday after Oscars (that was 127 Hours and Love and Other Drugs). OHHH well just more crap hype for a crap film that can’t stand on its own two legs. After this statment though I’m done talking about that piece of shit film it will be forgotten here shortly anyway.

  22. Droid says :

    Sounds like it could be okay…

    Stuart Beattie has come aboard the Lakeshore Entertainment project I, Frankenstein as writer and director. The filmmakers are looking to a fall shoot.

    A Darkstorm Studios graphic novel created by Kevin Grevioux, I, Frankenstein pictures a modern-day world where the classic literary monster stands between humans and a host of other supernatural creatures looking to rise up and take over.

    I like Stuart Beattie.

  23. koutchboom says :

    Made the mistake of watching a Michael Moore documentary last night. I don’t hate the guy, but he’s just fucking useless and depressing.

    Also at the end of the film he makes some lame cry for help saying something along the lines of “I can’t do this much longer by myself.” I was like….ughhhhh maybe if you did something rather than just pointing fingers you’d get somewhere but thats the extent of his movies. He just points fingers and doesn’t offer anything.

  24. koutchboom says :

    Man we’ve gotten some weird spam lately:

    “My most brilliant achievement was my ability to be able to persuade my wife to marry me.
    As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.”

    What the fuck? Then a bunch of porn links?

    • Jarv says :

      I noticed that as well. Some quote from Sun Tzu and then a load of links to viagra.

      • koutchboom says :

        Man spam mail and the idea behind will always boggle my mind. I wonder now a days what are the percentages of it still having any effect? Its gotta be like 1 in a trillion are something with the amount of it. Older people gotta be wising up to that shit now.

      • Jarv says :

        Depends what it’s for. We buy bounty data, and in comparison to old-fashioned advertising, it is astonishingly effective. The conversion rate is round about 3%-ish give or take. Print advertising nowadays you’re lucky if you get 0.5%.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well I mean there is legitimate spam, like when a company sends you a magazine or coupons, those are fine. Its just the fucking random links to shit. Or ever since I bought my house I get tons and tons of REFINANCE YOUR MORTGAGE crap in the mail. The actaul physical spam mail like that, like remember those fucking AOL discs I wonder what the cost to turn over ratio was. Just like how I get roughly 3 credit card offers a week in the mail.

      • Jarv says :

        Post spam is less effective.

        Email spam, we were soliciting business, and we sent out 10,000 emails on a work day. We got 500 responses. Now, while clearly not great, that’s a lot more effective than most other ways. We also did it on a Friday afternoon as an academic exercise and got half that.

        3pm Wednesday PM is the most effective time.

      • koutchboom says :

        Was your spam just for fun to try something? Or did you actually have something to solicite? I’m thinking of these fucking random Pill web sites or electronic sites that are just links to their sites to get you to buy their shit.

      • Jarv says :

        There was a purpose, and it was targeted at a demographic- (hence bounty data).

        However, we hadn’t actually had any contact with any individual beforehand.

  25. just pillow talk says :

    Heh…guy at work just told me he saw Limitless over the weekend and it was the first movie in a long time, and I quote, “that I wanted to leave the theater halfway through”.

  26. koutchboom says :

    Ohhh shit if you blimeys aren’t doing anything tonight my I suggest:


    It may be too late though?

  27. Jarv says :

    I don’t believe this. The Kiwis have induced a collapse in the Sri Lankans. How the fuck do they do it?

    • Jarv says :


      Never mind. There’s 5 left and only 30 needed.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s the game.

        Still, well played Kiwis. Made a better fist of it than England, but at least 30 runs short. If not more.

      • Jarv says :

        Nevertheless, the lesson here is CLEARLY don’t let the Lankan’s bowl first. England and the Kiwis lost the same way: painful death through strangulation which meant that the batsmen couldn’t score more than 4 an over.

        This in turn set a target which it was impossible to defend due to there being no reason for the Lankans to take risks- and they’re far too good to lose a wicket when not taking risks. That they wobbled a bit in this game was credit to the black caps.

  28. Toadkillerdog says :

    So, I watched two Bologna movies and one Borgnine. Bolonine? Borgna?

    The Big Bus, took me back to childhood – those orange stripes! Goofy parody that works more often than not. i was surprised.

    My Favorite year – still a great flick.

    Emperor of the North. Great flick. First time i watched it all the way through.

    Borgnine is the greatest and most menacing screen heavy I have ever seen. Coupled with From here to Eternity, I have no idea who could top him. Only Widmark and Ryan come close. But neither had the sheer size of Borgnine

  29. Droid says :

    Saw Carla Gugino on my way home. I really want to say she looked great, but truth be told she looked a bit ragged. Tarted up like she was 23 and a second coat of paint. I was going to let her off because of her age, but according to wiki she’s only 39. Shame really.

    • koutchboom says :

      Where’d you see her at? Just hanging round the chube?

      • Droid says :

        I was walking down Regent St after the pub and walked past her.

      • Jarv says :


        You spotted her and stalked her back to her hotel. Tomorrow you’ll turn up at the desk with a delivery for Miss Gugino, and can they please tell you what room she’s in, and you’ll save them the effort of taking it up…

    • Jarv says :

      Disappointing. Has she lost her place as an astrodyke.

      • Droid says :

        With movie magic she could pass. Maybe sacrifice one of our tuesday night coke binges to pay for one of those Tron style de-ageing FX jobs.

      • Jarv says :

        Maybe sacrifice one of our tuesday night coke binges


        No. That’s where the magic happens.

        We’ll just have to find another actress allergic to clothing. Outrageous suggestion.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ever since Sin City though she’s gone down hill and fast.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Jarv, if Gugino goes missing let the Metropolitan Police know about Droid.

      • Jarv says :

        I have it on good authority that they’re already looking for him for other things, and many schools in London have recently been encouraged to renew their restraining orders after a large, sweaty Australian was seen rubbing his crotch behind fading starlet, Carla Gugino, on Regent’s Street. The suspect was heard to mutter “boobs. lovely boobs, precious boobs” before Ms Gugino was able to drive him away with the liberal application of deodorant.

      • Droid says :

        Wow. So much hard work for such a pitiful result. Are you still ill or something?

      • Jarv says :

        Made me laugh, and that’s all that matters.

      • Jarv says :

        Unrelated to anything- there’s a good article on Ponting in the Guardian today.

        Also, India v Pakistan starts in a minute.

      • Jarv says :

        Here- did you know Ponting plays golf off Scratch using the “wrong” handed clubs?

        Fucking hell- as much as I dislike golf, that’s some hand-eye co-ordination.

      • Jarv says :

        Really good summary of the Aussie problem BTL by an Aussie:

        I suspect history will also be kinder to Clarke too. He’s basically captain by default now and doomed to fail against unrealistic expectations from a nation that has forgotten that sometimes cricket teams lose.

        There was a Sydney Morning Herald poll yesterday running 3 to 1 against him being captain but what are the alternatives?
        Katich – too old and injury prone these days, only plays Tests.
        M Hussey – too old and no leadership experience.
        Haddin – wicketkeeping is hard enough without the captaincy burden.
        Watson – way too much on his plate.
        White – good captain but struggles at international standard.
        Bailey – good captain but nowhere near international standard
        Paine – not even in the team, wicketkeeping is hard enough, this is a weird media invention.
        North – hahaha.
        Warne – absurd that this has been seriously considered by lunatic fringe elements of our media.

        That leaves Clarke who I sense doesn’t really want to be captain leading an average team and destined to be hammered for leading an average team. Tough break.

        Almost makes me feel sorry for Clarke (and that’s something I never thought I’d say)

  30. Droid says :

    Batman Reboots!!!

    “We have the third Batman, but then we’ll have to reinvent Batman…Chris Nolan and [producing partner and wife] Emma Thomas will be producing it, so it will be a conversation with them about what the next phase is.” Jeff Robinov, President of the Warner Bros.

    • koutchboom says :

      Good, I love a good ole fashion comic book character reboot. I think it should be done twice yearly.

    • Spud McSpud says :

      One word: CRONENBERG.

      • Jarv says :

        Ha! I’d watch that

      • Droid says :

        And Aronofsky is announced as attached to direct the Batman reboot in 3… 2… 1…

      • Spud McSpud says :

        Hey, if Aronofsky wants to put a Mila Kunis lesbian scene in there – obviously Catwoman does spring to mind and loins – then far be it from me to discourage him.

        Watched DUNE again the other day. I’d like to see THAT David Lynch do a BATMAN reboot. Though I don’t see Kyle MacLachlan as Bruce Wayne, at least it’d fuck with all the Bat-fans out there 😀

      • Jarv says :

        Lynch casting Balthazar Getty as Batman would be hilarious.

      • Droid says :

        My vote is for James Spader as Batman. And Deborah Kara Unger as Catwoman. And a scene where Batman fucks Catwomans open wound. That’d freak the kids out.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s Cronenberg’s version.

        Lynch would also have Bruce Wayne/ Batman’s identites melding in a bizarre montage of men with batwings in pinstripe suits and cavorting midgets singing the theme tune to Spider-Man. Backwards.

      • Droid says :

        One word: CRONENBERG.


      • Jarv says :

        Sorry, I thought we’d moved on to Lynch version of Batman.

        Who would do a good reboot, though? I can’t think of any serious candidates. Burton and Nolan are done. Carpenter would be hilarious but awful, so maybe that?

        Mind you, now Cronenberg is being all adult and whatnot, maybe he is a good shout.

      • Droid says :

        The thing is, no “bigger” director would want to follow Nolans Batman, because you’re just going to be compared to it. Particularly if the third one turns out okay.

        Just get Martin Campbell to direct all the DC movies.

      • Jarv says :

        The flip side of that though, is that if the third one is a clusterfuck, then it may become more attractive. Following TDK, though, I’d be surprised.

        What about Marshall?

      • Droid says :

        I thought about Marshall. I’m not sure. I reckon he’d be better in a sci-fi universe, like The Terminator.

      • Jarv says :

        Agree with that- except I always think Alien.

        However, Batman has a lot of Marshall type things to it, although I don’t think he’s done a film with an actual definable villain character (Doomsday and Alastair Campbell excepted- but even then he wasn’t the focus of the film).

        Dog Soldiers- werewolves
        Descent- Crawlers
        Doomsday- Cannibals
        Centurion- Picts, but was really a chase movie, with Kurylenko as the tracker, but they weren’t really characters as such.

        Which reminds me, I watched a piss-poor French movie (another apparent “Thriller” that just wasn’t thrilling) that had Olga Kurylenko in it. She does like taking her clothes off for the camera. Almost a shame that Marshall couldn’t get her naked for Centurion- as that’s the only film (not see QoS) that she’s been in where she keeps the sweater puppies under wraps.

      • Droid says :

        Could give it to Howard McCain, director of FOR OUTLANDER!!!

      • Jarv says :

        That’s a good idea.

      • Droid says :

        Yeah, Marshall would be good for Alien, but as that has been mentioned (and Ridleys in the process of nailing the coffin shut) I thought I’d go another way.

      • Jarv says :

        See- I think McG fucked Terminator badly with the last one, and if he does what he wants to do for the next, then that’s it for that franchise as well.

        What we need is a “new” big boy Sci-fi effort

      • koutchboom says :

        Marshall’s got something new he’s working on, I saw some link about it the other day but did not click.

      • Jarv says :

        Where did you see it.

        Which reminds me. I wonder if Dog Soldiers 2 is out yet.

      • Jarv says :

        With daybreak comes the next horrifying chapter in the DOG SOLDIERS saga.
        In the misty morning, following his night of werewolf horror in the original DOG SOLDIERS, Pvt. Lawrence Cooper surveys the rubble of the Scottish farmhouse, battered and bruised from the battle. He has lost everything he knew to the werewolf family; his fellow soldiers, his father figure sergeant, his faith in women and his disbelief in the supernatural. Cooper and the only other survivor, Sam the dog, begin their long trek toward civilization, satisfied that the werewolf family was killed in the farmhouse explosion.

        Meanwhile, on the other side of the forest, the U.S. Special Forces team that was originally sent to participate in a series of war games with Cooper’s team waits impatiently. Col. Benjamin Parker sends two of his men off to see if there is any sign of the British team. They return with Cooper, who tells them an unbelievable tale about the night he and his platoon were besieged by a family of werewolves.

        Just as Parker is about to write off Cooper as a mass murderer, a second wounded British soldier is brought into the U.S. camp. He introduces himself as British Special OPS Pvt. Kevin Erickson, lone survivor of the werewolf attack on Sgt. Ryan’s platoon in the original film. Erickson reports the werewolf attack on his platoon to the soldiers. He escaped with a few other soldiers to a cave near a stream. During the night, Erickson watched as one by one his platoon died, only to be resurrected, transformed into werewolves: Dog Soldiers!

        Parker has had enough of the werewolf tales, puts both men under arrest and banishes them to a secured tent until they can all be picked up by a rendezvous ship in the morning. When Cooper reveals his photographic evidence from the farmhouse, Parker sends out three of his men to the shattered farmhouse to corroborate Cooper’s story. The U.S. soldiers arrive at the farmhouse…just at moonrise. They are greeted by a bone-chilling howl that shatters the still of the night.

        What follows is a night of ultimate horror as the U.S. forces, armed to the teeth with modern warfare technology, are about to take on their greatest foe, savage supernatural beasts who think and act like soldiers. The battle for humanity will be fought on this night…Man vs. Beast…Soldier vs. Dog Soldier!

        Yikes. That sounds poo.

      • Jarv says :

        And in fantastic news- it’s been shelved indefinitely.

      • Droid says :

        What we need is a “new” big boy Sci-fi effort

        This is true.

        I need to write my review of Predator so I can get on with the Arnie series.

      • Jarv says :

        Also, isn’t Alien Ride of the nobjockey no longer an Alien movie?

        The whole thing is putting me in a mood, actually. Like with The Thing Prequel and Macready’s brother.

      • Jarv says :

        The Reboot thing is even worse- they’re developing it with the idea of going for a Justice League film a la The Avengers. Hopefully The Avengers will fucking bomb and end this stupidity once and for all. It’s like with Stephen King books where they’re all related but separate, and if you really want to know everything that’s happening in the Dark Tower you need to have read everything the cunt has ever written.

        Just. Piss. Off.

        Standalone stuff is preferable, easily.

      • Droid says :

        I think (and don’t quote me on this) that the Alien prequel is in the same universe as Alien but not about the Aliens. Or something. There’s some sort of link between this new movie and the original. Maybe.

      • Jarv says :

        It was originally meant to be about the one thing that we don’t need to know anything about. It isn’t now.

        Want to bet they just stick “Alien:” on it, though?

      • Droid says :

        Ridleys quote when he was trying to justify the existence of a prequel to Alien went something like “We’ve all wondered who the space jockey was.” And my response was, “No Ridley. We haven’t all wondered that. Some of us (ie. me) don’t give two shits who or what it was.”

      • Jarv says :

        This is exactly like his idiotic need to go back and twat around with Blade Runner to try to make Deckard a replicant. Before he started that, he was the only person on the planet that misunderstood it so badly.

        I’m also in the “never gave a red fuck” about the pilot of that ship category.

      • Droid says :

        I actually don’t mind them tying the movies together, if they’re not forced like Iron Man 2, which was essentially an extended introduction for characters no one gives a flying fuck about.

        Isn’t Spiderman supposed to be in The Avengers? Won’t his absence be a bit conspicuous? I only ask because I’d really like to see him being pulverised by the steroid-addled, purple veined freak Sylvester Stallone The Incredible Hulk.

      • Jarv says :

        In theory I don’t either.

        However, in practise how many of the Avengers/ Justice League have we even heard of/ give a fuck about? This means you end up with the inevitable IM2 clusterfucks.

      • Jarv says :

        Pakistan have pulled India back to below 6 an over and whittled Sehwag and Gambhir out. Lot rests on Tendulkar here.

        Come on Pakistan.

      • Jarv says :

        Jesus Christ they keep dropping Tendulkar. I wonder if the fix is on for him to get 100.

      • koutchboom says :

        Not this version of the Avengers. Pretty much at one point all of the Marvel characters have been in the Avergers at some point.

  31. Jarv says :

    Down/ The Shaft review scheduled for tomorrow morning.

    Can’t remember what I said I’d do for Thursday. I think I was going to do either a vampire film or a PMT, but I’ve not organised either.

  32. Droid says :

    Ahem… I’d just like to start with…

    “A match between Bayern’s A and B teams is more intense than a clash with Australia.” – Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness, 28/02/2011

    and then continue with…

    Germany 1
    Australia 2

    Borussia Park, 29/03/2011

    and close with…


  33. MORBIUS says :

    FX orders Season 3 of JUSTIFIED!

  34. D.Vader says :

    Watch out for Graboids, everybody.

  35. D.Vader says :

    I’m watching “Lady Frankenstein”. What a piece of shit. At least there’s nudity. Well, at least there would be if this wasn’t being shown on network tv dagnabit.

  36. D.Vader says :

    I too saw Battle: LA this week, and despite having a few problems with it (hey Liebsman, in the early scenes, when nothing is happening, HOLD THE FUCKING CAMERA STILL YA MOOK; you achieve nothing by blowing your handheld style so damn early before the invasion), it was very enjoyable.

  37. Xiphos0311 says :

    If anybody finds themselves in Scottsdale AZ this weekend and wants to check out Tucker & Dale vs Evil, it’s part of the Horror and Sci-fi Film Festival, which is a subset of the Phoenix International Film Festival for the first time. They have an interesting line up of movies for the Horror Sci-fi event(I didn’t look at the International Film Festival line up). Look it’s a link:


  38. Jarv says :

    Made the mistake of watching England v Ghana football last night.

    For 45 minutes England really looked good- very good. Then the inevitable substitutions came, they changed the formation and England looked shit again.

    However, the reason I say it was a mistake is that this was an England side lacking all of the alleged “stars”- no Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Cashley, Ferdinand, Terry, Walcott, Joe Cole etc. The players that played looked hungry, like they wanted to play for the shirt not a new Ferrari, and generally showed a bit of pride. So when Capello drops them all to bring back the old guard it will be even more painful.

    • Droid says :

      Meh. You should’ve watched Australia beat the Krauts. Might have actually been entertained.

      • Jarv says :

        Yeah, probably.

        Couldn’t really give a toss about football, though. I was just surprised to see England actually look like they wanted to play. Which is why the next Cup with the same old failures will really hurt.

        That German side is a joke anyway, it’s worse than English Cricket- There’s an English player, a turk, Ghanian (his brother actually plays FOR Ghana), several Poles, I think more than half the team isn’t German. Fucking pisstake.

      • Droid says :

        Actually the Ghanaian brother left Germany because he couldn’t make the German side. He qualified to play for Ghana two weeks before the world cup.

      • Jarv says :

        Still- though. What the fuck? I can’t say I blame any of them for wanting to play for Germany as Germany are always, for some reason, no matter how crap they are going to be there or thereabouts at the World Cup and as a player you want to win everything.

        It’s astonishing though that the German side has that many “non-germans” in it. English cricket is bad with Trott, Morgan and KP, ditto English Rugby with the kiwis, but nothing on that scale.

        The amount of crap I take for it as well. Hmph.

      • Droid says :

        Germans don’t blatantly import players from other nations though.

      • Jarv says :

        Not true.

        Klose and Podolski were both imports. Cricket at least makes them (with the exception of Morgan and that’s for historic reasons) have either English parentage (which, is the same as some Germans), or long standing residency (which is the same as the others). English Rugby has no excuse, and I don’t defend the selection of the likes of Hape/ Flutey. Mind you, the Aussie Rugby side does it as well (Quade Cooper).

        All nations are guilty of it to some extent- but this German side is every bit as bad, if not worse, than the England sides.

  39. Droid says :

    India are teetering here. If Tendulkar gets out then they’re in HUGE trouble. Good.

  40. Droid says :

    That Dog Soldiers 2 synopsis sounds fucking awful.

    • Jarv says :

      Yeah, thank the lord it’s been shelved.


      I only heard about it last year, and so presumed that it is coming soon- but it’s been strangled.

  41. Droid says :

    Marshall is making ‘Burst’ isn’t he?

    • Jarv says :

      From Wikipedia:

      1. Outpost is a planned film that Neil Marshall announced before starting The Descent. He described the premise to be zombies terrorizing an oil rig,[6] but he placed the film on hold for the time being.[7]
      2. The Eagle’s Nest is a planned film that Marshall described as a World War II action-adventure that would be a hybrid of Die Hard (1988) and The Remains of the Day (1993).[8] He said the film was an action adventure tribute to films like Where Eagles Dare (1968) and The Eagle Has Landed (1976). The premise would be about a rescue attempt for a parachutist, Rudolph Hess, who lands in Scotland during World War II. The rescue is botched, and Hess is taken by a German unit to a country castle.[7]
      3. The Sword and the Fury is a planned film about a heist that takes place in medieval times. The story takes place 30 years after the death of King Arthur when his sword Excalibur is stolen. Arthur’s queen Guinevere hires a band of thieves to steal it back.[7]
      4. Sacrilege is a planned film that takes place in the Old West. Marshall described the film, “It is set during the Gold Rush, a time remembered for incidents like the Donner Party. It is meant to be a pitch-black, gritty, period horror movie.” The film will be themed on paranoia and isolation, and the director will draw inspiration from the 1982 film The Thing. “This is Unforgiven by way of H.P. Lovecraft, with that grim, gritty setting and a horror element nobody has seen before,” Marshall said.
      5. [9]

      6. Burst 3D is a horror thriller film, first announced in October 2009, that Neil Marshall plans to direct.[10] The film, based on a screenplay by Gary Dauberman, would follow travelers stranded in a blizzard and being attacked by an entity that makes them spontaneously combust. Sam Raimi produced with his company Ghost House Pictures the film.[11
      7. ]

      None of these really fill me with joy- although Burst sounds hilarious.

      • Droid says :

        I would like to see the medievil heist movie. Simply because I like heist movies and medievil movies.

        Burst does sound awesome.

      • koutchboom says :

        Sacrilege sounds cool. Granted its sort of already been done, but thats what Neil’s usually best at.

      • Jarv says :

        Outpost sounds the worst of them. Zombies+Oil Rig? Really Neil, how do the zombies get on the oil rig?

        Zombies are only scary because they’re a fucking horde. If there’s 10 of them then all they are is a minor annoyance.

  42. koutchboom says :

    Watched Unstoppable last night and….eh didn’t really like it. Actually the camera work in that was more annoying then anything in Battle LA. I mean does Tony just have fucking helios flying around his sets all day? Especially the end when they are having that little ceremony and its like DA DA flat shot DA DA HELIO SWEEP! DA DA FLA DAD DA HELLLLIOOO SWEEP!!!! I mean it was like the movie had a beat to it with those fucking helio whatever shots every 10 seconds.

    Its almost more annoying then Tony’s spazzy cuts because then its just fucking random, but with Unstoppable you had Static shot DA DA DOLLY ROLLING SHOT of chick at control center DA DA DOLLY ROLLING SHOT of Denzel sitting on the train DA DA HELIO SWEEP! DA DA Static shot DA DA and over and over again. The repitition got real old real fast.

    I like Pelham better. Also I liked Pine over Denzel in this. Denzel playing the overly earnest fatherly figure was boring. Also those shots of people fucking just standing up watching the TVs in Hooters??? Hahahah that shit never happens. It was like Tony was stuck in the 80s but with a shittier sound track.

    Sucks, wanted to like it, thought it would be fun, but I found it all boring and predictable. I enjoyed Next Three Days more.

    Also I noticed this of the soundtrack:

    (from AVPR: Aliens vs Predator – Requiem (2007))
    Written by Brian Tyler
    Courtesy of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation

    (from AVPR: Aliens vs Predator – Requiem (2007))
    Written by Brian Tyler
    Courtesy of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation

    (from AVPR: Aliens vs Predator – Requiem (2007))
    Written by Brian Tyler
    Courtesy of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation

    • koutchboom says :

      Heheh this is funny about Unstoppable:

      Ironically, a train used in filming accidentally derailed in Bridgeport, Ohio on November 21, 2009 while being shot for the production. No one was injured in the incident, but production was halted for the remainder of the day.

      Also the movie cost $100 million to make. I mean I guess I see it, take into effect Denzel’s 20 million price tag? Eh I guess its not that bad fucking Red Dragon cost $78 million to make back in 2002 (I watched that last night as well).

      • Jarv says :

        I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me what the money was spent on with Red Dragon.

        I always think that about Ratner films, though.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah that price tag on Dragon seems high for what it was. I’m guessing the three actors at the time still pulled in a good chunk of money. But other than that you just had one house blowing up, seems like it should’ve cost 30-40 million. Especially back then.

      • Jarv says :

        Even then 40 million strikes me as too much. How much was Centurion? 8 Million, I think, and for that you’ve got a fantastic looking movie, with full period costume oodles of blood, shot on location, and pyrotechnics.

        There’s NOTHING in Red Dragon that I can think should cost 5 times as much- other than the actors. So, if you assume that the cast is a hell of a lot more expensive then maybe you can get to 40m.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well also with Dragon I bet they built some of those sets, and filming in the cities they filmed in probably cost more. I mean yeah they filmed on location in Scotland but I don’t think they needed to pay permits and taxes and all the bullshit that goes into filming on location in a major city, also paying off Harris, Ted Tally pocketed money, Ratner probably got a good chuck, he’s a mega hollywood money maker, Neil is sort of a no body still. Just comparing it to a similarish movie with about the same amount of sets and theme with just slightly lower directors and actors Lakeview Terrace cost 20 million to make, but probably didn’t have the set work Dragon did, nor the star power.

        Also Brett is very good at getting money for his acotors, remember Chris Tucker was the highest paid actor ever for Rush Hour 3.

      • Jarv says :

        That kind of makes my point Koutch- almost everything you’ve listed there, not a single penny of it ends up on the screen.

        I think that more and more about movies- when I’m actually wondering “what the fuck did they spend the budget on” then they didn’t spend it properly, someone trousered it, or blew it on drugs and hookers.

      • Jarv says :

        It’s not awful. Nothing Ratner does ever is.

        It’s just worthless and pointless. If you want to see Red Dragon adapted, watch Manhunter. If you want to see Silence of the Lambs, watch, er, Silence of the Lambs.

        There’s no reason at all for there to be a version of Red Dragon but filmed in the style of Silence.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well it was riding the money train of Hannibal, which at the time broke some box office records. And seeing as that Manhunter was a flop they figured they could squeeze another hit out of it. Had they kept with a modest and easily doable price tag like 40 million they would’ve done fine. But Hannibal costed ten million more than Dragon, but at least that had globe trotting to its budget, and Sir always over budget Scott helming.

        I agree with you that the price tag for Dragon is pretty fucking high for what it is and a lot of it isn’t on screen. I was just saying, you couldn’t have done the film up in the Scottish high lands it needed to be in the city. Granted they could’ve moved the locations to Canada or New Mexico or set it somewhere rural and cheap, but they had the money to play with.

        Heheh one thing I love about Red Dragon is when he eats the fucking painting, its just so stupid but so funny.

      • Jarv says :

        Granted they could’ve moved the locations to Canada-

        Yup. Why not? It’s not as if matters if you can spot whatever city it’s meant to be.

        Picture eating is straight from the book. It’s as dumb on the page as well.

        Hannibal, funnily enough, you can see the money on screen. It’s terrible, but you can see it.

      • Droid says :

        The thing about Red Dragon, like most Ratner movies, is that it’s okay. Ratner movies never make me lean one way or another, apart from Family Man which I like because of Cage and Leoni. His movies are beige.

        Manhunter is far superior.

      • Jarv says :

        See- I actually think it’s crap. Ratner has just tried to mimic Silence, without really understanding what Silence did that was good. I don’t get wound up by Ratner for the most part (although I do think X-men sucks, but is no worse than Singers), but in this instance I just scratch my head. It’s a completely worthless film.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah there are hints of really good stuff in Dragon here and there but as a whole its very bland, and trying to hard to be like Silence. Manhunter at least was its own movie, there are aspects of Dragon that are strong but Manhunter is much better as a whole. I think Finnes was better than Noonan, but then the creepy run down old persons home wasn’t as interesting as just some house like Manhunter. I know Dragon tried to stay more faithful to the book. I do think they make for interesting redo’s, they aren’t just complete copies which was nice. But fuck the big let down in Dragon is the interplay between Hopkins and Norton, its just not there, its very bad, norton doesn’t seem like his into it at all. And the way he plays Graham it doesn’t seem like he even needs Hannibel.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s partly why I think it’s a failure- it tried to graft Manhunter onto Silence’s visuals. It’s just a failure for me.

        Ratner would have been better off trying to find a non-Silence/ Manhunter style for it.

      • koutchboom says :

        Eh I didn’t see much Manhunter about Dragon, its much much more Slience. I can’t think of anything about Manhunter thats similar in Dragon beyond the story and a little of Nortons performance. I mean bringing back the Silence Lecter prison set, they were trying to really grafted it onto that vision of Lecter, but I think in the end it didn’t stick. Because the Blu Ray sets have Manhunter/Slience/Hannibal.

        Oh yeah also these are all Dino De Laurentiis films if that explains the cost better.

      • Jarv says :

        Is this to me?

        You’re right. It is visually Silence. I meant that the story is Red Dragon, and they’ve taken that story and tried to redo Silence.

      • Droid says :

        I guess I’d have to see it again. I just remember feeling nothing from the movie, but not hating it. It’s like it just… happened. I agree that Graham in Manhunter was far superior to Nortons Graham. Petersen’s Graham really felt as though he was completely ruined by his experience with Lecter. Nortons was more like he was just fed up with having to placate the chatterbox who keeps trying to be his friend.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah thats it exactly between the two Grahams and their dealings with Lecter.

        I mean Red Dragon isn’t a bad movie it is just sort of a nothing movie. Like a better nicer done episode of CSI or Cold Case pretty much.

      • Jarv says :

        I mean Red Dragon isn’t a bad movie it is just sort of a nothing movie.

        That’s precisely why I think it’s a bad movie. It’s technically fine etc, but fuck? Really? With $78m, all you could do was lamely reheat Silence?

      • koutchboom says :

        Ehhh I don’t think its a bad movie because Ratner SORT of makes it his own film, in trying to make it a squel to Silence in a way. But I mean the movie doesn’t just reek of cash in like say some Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel or Transformers. I felt like there was good intentions and the effort was there, also Manhunter is so its own thing I can understand the idea of trying to make it fit in more with the other two since Manhunter hadn’t become some classic. The whole Hannibal series is a werid oddity, I like that we have it. Having read Red Dragon the book I’m glad they made that movie, but I still like Manhunter much better.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well thats what I’m saying about not moving it somewhere cheap. They had the fucking money to play with and do it on locations and get big name actors to do a movie they probably wouldn’t normally do (well Finnes probably would’ve done it, but not Norton). If anything it was a miscalculated move, because they were expected Hannibal like numbers and it recieved a luke warm recpieption. Also like I pointed out its a Dino De Laurentiis production who only understands how to throw more money at a picture.

      • Jarv says :

        I actually do think it reeks of Cash-in.

        Imagine someone said to Ratner (and Ratner is EXACTLY the person you’d hire for this- or DJ Caruso) “Brett, we want to get another Lecter film. The only one we can do is remake some shitty 80’s effort with that dude from CSI- but it’s nothing like Silence of the Lambs. What we want you to do, OK, is go back and make that film again, but this time make it look exactly like Silence”.

        Which, to be fair, is exactly what he did.

        It’s nothing to get upset about, because it’s Ratner and so utterly forgettable. However, by the same score, it’s well, fuck, why bother.

      • koutchboom says :

        Oh yeah also they got Elfman for the score.

        I mean yeah it reeks of your basic cash in effects sure. But I still think it was a well made and thought out film, it was like he went out of his way to ONE UP the previous efforts like most cash ins. I mean they could’ve gone ultra gory with it, hammed up Lecter much more, made Graham more manic, made Fines sillier. Thats the surprise that they are able to keep it subtle still and not just completely over the top the whole time. Thats what I think of when I think of cash in, OHHH this worked in the first one…add in 30 more minutes of that. All in all there are just hints and winks and nods to silence and maintaing the overall tone of that movie, which I think as a sequel is about as good as you can get. AND actually if you think about it Silence of the sequel, SOOoooooO in a way Silence PLAYS up all the aspects of Red Dragon.

        Thats why I think its interesting because its a backwards sequel, its not really a prequel, its just that fucking story came first. And I bet if I watch them in correct order from Dragon to Silence I wonder how that feels/works. 10 years from now when I have the need to watch them again I’ll try it that way and just watch Manhunter last.

  43. Droid says :

    Some HITS and MISSES for October!!!

    October 7
    – Real Steel

    October 14
    – The Thing
    – The Three Musketeers (for Koutch)

    October 26
    – The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn

    October 28
    – The Rum Diary

    • koutchboom says :

      Ehh I’m on the fence about the Musketeers. HOD and Stunt are much more siked. I don’t like the cast.

      • Droid says :

        The yanks get Tintin on December 23, and Spielbergs got Warhorse set for release on December 26? He’s competing against himself?

      • Droid says :

        Also, no interest in 3D Musketeers.

        1. Paul Talent Vacuum Anderson

        2. Orlando Delicate Flower Bloom

        That’s all I need to know…

    • Jarv says :

      Never heard of Real Steel.

      The rest up to The Rum Diary are misses for me. Mo-Cap Tintin is really turning me off.

      Tell you what, though, October 14th is clearly the one day of the year to avoid the cinema.

      • Droid says :

        Real Steel is boxing robots with Wolverine. Could be fun. Could be anything really.

      • Jarv says :

        So it’s bookended then- Real Steel…..NOTHING….Rum Diary.

        I know you’re excited about Tintin, but fuck, man, Mocap?

      • koutchboom says :

        Well Real Steel is from the Shawn Levy house of pain which has only brought us one pleasure:
        2010 Date Night
        2009 Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian
        2006 Night at the Museum
        2006 The Pink Panther
        2003 Cheaper by the Dozen
        2003 Just Married

      • koutchboom says :

        And I think it was pure fucking fluke luck that Date Night turned out pretty fun. I don’t trust him yet. Theres no reason why Night At The Museum was SOOO fucking awful. I blame those Reno 911 fucks for pooping it out just to get money to make their Reno 911 film.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t have a bee in my bonnet about mo-cap like you. I love Beowulf.

      • Droid says :

        Yes, but I feel Shawn Levy has turned the corner. He also has recently been hired by Jim Cameron to direct Forbidden Planet.

      • koutchboom says :

        I’m not there yet Droid. Because A LOT of Date Night was saved by Marky Mark and his Funky Bunch.

      • Droid says :

        Fair enough. But one of the standout scenes of the movie for me was down to Levy. The car chase with the two cars stuck together. I thought that was brilliant.

        I’m optimistic about Real Steel. Like I said, could be anything. Hopefully he won’t fuck up a foxy robot boxing movie.

      • koutchboom says :

        That scene was fun but it didn’t look good, which was sort of surprise because the special effect of Museum were pretty good. I mean I HOPE ITS GOOD. I need to watch Date Night on its own, I had to suffer through Shrek 4 and IM2 before getting to Date Night which going in I expected to be the worst of the bunch. SO I need to ensure that I enjoyed it on its own not from delirium.

      • Droid says :

        Well, Date Night had half the budget of NATM and a third of NATM2.

      • koutchboom says :

        Heheh I was half expecting Date Night to be one of those movies that cost 100 million to make for some reason. Wow and it was filmed in New York and Cali. I wonder how much Steve Carrell got paid for Evan Almighty and Date Night.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well that was easy:

        Crazy, Stupid, Love. (2011) $15,000,000 (including producing fee)
        Dinner for Schmucks (2010) $12,000,000
        Despicable Me (2010) $500,000
        Date Night (2010) $12,500,000
        Evan Almighty (2007) $5,000,000
        The 40 Year Old Virgin (2005) $500,000

      • koutchboom says :

        Heheh I was trying to find out how much Stiller cost:

        Little Fockers (2010) $20,000,000
        Greenberg (2010) $6,000,000
        Zoolander (2001) $2,500,000
        There’s Something About Mary (1998) $3,000,000

        So I’m guessing he probably got 20 million for each Night, but whats funny is his Greenburg cost. That movie only made that. I thought that thing only cost 6 million to make? I can’t find a price but I bet the majority of the cost of that thing was Siller.

      • Jarv says :

        Twenty FUCKING Million for Little Fockers?

        I don’t know one person on the planet that wants to see that film. Fuck me.

      • Droid says :

        Plus there’s nothing else to the NATM movies than special effects. Get Stiller in a building with big open rooms and shoot special effects. Date Night had more location shooting and the like.

      • Droid says :

        Despicable Me (2010) $500,000?

        Really? I thought he would’ve been paid heaps for it. Especially since he’s the reason it worked as well as it did.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah i mean you talk about differences in cost man Animated stuff is the weirdest. I would’ve thought he got paid 10-20 million for it. I wonder if actors take the back end route with that stuff instead.

        Like I always thought Shrek cost so much because of the cost of the stars but Mike Myers only got 10 million for Shrek 2. Because there is a 100 million $ difference between the costs of Shrek 1 and Shrek 2…and there isn’t a 100 million $ looking difference between the animation in Shrek 1 and Shrek 4.

      • koutchboom says :

        And Mike got $3,000,000 for Shrek 1. I can’t find what he got paid for 3 and 4. But that doesn’t explain the 100 million $ difference, unless Eddie Murphy got paid that much more.

      • koutchboom says :

        AHAHA I mean I KNOW HE can be funny…but is he THAT FUNNY? No wonder he can manage to have 9-10 kids jesus. Even for Beveryly Hills Cop 1, was that some record back then?

        Shrek Forever After (2010) $4,000,000 (Back end bonus)
        Shrek 2 (2004) $10,000,000
        The Adventures of Pluto Nash (2002) $20,000,000
        Dr. Dolittle 2 (2001) $20,000,000
        Shrek (2001) $3,000,000
        Nutty Professor II: The Klumps (2000) $20,000,000 (and 20% of the gross)
        Doctor Dolittle (1998) $17,500,000
        The Nutty Professor (1996) $16,000,000
        Beverly Hills Cop III (1994) $15,000,000
        Coming to America (1988) $8,000,000
        Beverly Hills Cop II (1987) $8,000,000
        Beverly Hills Cop (1984) $14,000,000

      • koutchboom says :

        Ohhh 48 Hrs. and trading places was before Cop. For some reason I thought that was why he left SNL to do that movie, thinking he was some untested up and coming comedian, but ok that makes more sense.

      • Droid says :

        Greenberg Budget (2010) $6,050,000

  44. koutchboom says :

    Like this is surprising:

    Angelina Jolie:
    Kung Fu Panda 2 (2011) $1,000,000

    I mean if she has as big of a role as in 1, I guess thats good fucking money for five minutes of work.

  45. Droid says :

    Is that BHC salary accurate? Did he have a percentage of the gross? Cause that’s ridiculous for 1984.

    Also, Nutty Professor 2 $20m PLUS 20%! Fucking hell.

    I wish I got paid shitloads for inflicting shit on the public.

    • koutchboom says :

      Its as accurate as I can find, its just from IMDB. I always knew he got paid a lot for BHC, thats why I’m wondering if at the time it was some record.

  46. Droid says :

    Pakistan need to get a wriggle on here.

  47. koutchboom says :

    American Gangster (2007) $20,000,000
    Man on Fire (2004) $20,000,000

    So yeah I’m guessing he got 20 million for Unstoppable.

    • Jarv says :

      I’m not convinced that Denzel is worth $20m. Really not. Particularly for those two films mentioned.

      To be worth it, you have to be able to demonstrate that his name made more than $20m difference to the take- else you’ve got a crap ROI. American Gangster in particular had Crowe in it as well. I’m really not sure you can say that Denzel was worth 20m for it.

      • koutchboom says :

        No thats bullshit about Denzel, he’s actually one of the few actors with pull. Even more so than Crowe. Denzel is much more consistant and pulls in about between 20-30 million on average with his opening weekends. He’s much more consistant than Crowe. He is one of the few names still left. Sure he hasn’t done it all the time (Out of Time only opened with 14 million, but anyone else and that thing would’ve opened with probably 5 million).

        I’m not justifying his cost, but he’s got the record to back it up.

      • koutchboom says :

        About Unstoppable:

        Twentieth Century Fox executives asked Denzel Washington to shave $4 million from his standard fee of $20 million. (They also asked director Tony Scott to cut $3 million from his usual $9 million fee.) Citing frustration with the lack of a start date, Washington withdrew from the film. Fox then came up with an as yet undisclosed enticement package, purportedly including a revised script, to bring Washington back on board two weeks later.

      • Jarv says :

        I just tried to look it up, but are you telling me that Denzel was worth $20m for American Gangster? How much did the film cost/ make?

        I know he can back it up, but those are very middling films that he’s being overpaid for.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well Gangster opened with 40 million, SOO they both earned their paycheck that day. It cost 100 million to make grossed $266,465,037 world wide.

        Domestic: $130,164,645 (Denzel)
        + Foreign: $136,300,392 (Russell)

      • koutchboom says :

        I mean yeah I agree Denzel doesn’t have the best choice of film, but like I said about that Out Of Time flick, anyone else in that role and it probably would’ve made 10 million total, with him it at least made 40 million.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s fair enough- and a good healthy profit on the film.

        I don’t mind that, but I do wonder if they take this overinflated salary to avoid having to take points on the back end.

  48. Droid says :

    Found an interesting article on BHC3 from back in 1993.


  49. Droid says :

    I reckon the big actors should take a percentage. If the movie does well, they do well. If it fails, then they lose out. It would…

    a) Make actors choose/demand better projects

    b) Make studios more comfortable/willing to make a film that might be a little different.

    • Jarv says :

      Me too- it would also help smaller films get off the ground.

      Keitel took points in Reservoir Dogs.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well thats good because Dogs made $2,832,029.

      • Jarv says :

        I wouldn’t cry about him. He will have points in the DVD as well- and Dogs has sold fucking millions and millions.

      • Droid says :

        Something like Greenberg for fuck sake, should not cost $6m, let alone be $6m MINIMUM because of Stillers salary. If he desperately wants to do the film then he can make it for scale and get money if its successful. He’s always in movies that make shitloads. He’d still be minted if he took a percentage.

      • Jarv says :

        Totally agree with that.

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