Burt Gummer’s Rec Room

A gathering place for paranoid survivalists and those who worship at the Church of Chang

August 2015: Dryer than a bone, and hotter than the surface of the sun- yup, it’s summertime in Perfection and El Blanco is on the prowl.

Disclaimer: This is the part of the Church that is the most no holds barred. None of it is intended with malice, and although it can on occasion seem a little bit fraught, it is banter rather than venom. So, be warned that this is like taking a naked swim in a piranha tank and not recommended for the faint of heart.

9,763 responses to “Burt Gummer’s Rec Room”

  1. tombando says :

    Watched the latest Terminator-with Ahnold, Urmm tall gal from the Martian, Linda Hamilton, etc. It’s–OK, trots out all the usual expected cliches-but enough already. They don’t need to do anymore of these.

    WatchING Fat City with Stacy Keach and Jeff Bridges. So far pretty okay. Never seen it before.

    • Just Pillow Talk says :

      I caught the end of it, seemed pretty blah to me. Hey, terminators fighting terminators again, great. The whole truck sinking down to the bottom of that lake, horrible.

  2. ThereWolf says :

    Happy Anniversary, Moonwolfsies!

  3. ThereWolf says :

    Why haven’t I got a face?

  4. Just Pillow Talk says :

    Enola Holmes I actually liked quite a bit. Watched it with my younger daughter, who also liked it, a lot. Didn’t even mind Supes as Sherlock, since he was a peripheral character. That Millie Brown was really good in this, we both liked when she “broke the fourth wall!” as my daughter would yell out. Maybe I will get her to check out the books and see if they are worth a read, since she is a huge reader.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      I watched EH also and while I am most definitely NOT the target audience i thought it was okayish.I however was getting very annoyed with the fourth wall breaking by the end of the movie.I could nail exactly when it was coming and almost exactly what she was going to say because they made it so easy to figure out. Gerault of Rivia was good as a jacked Sherlock. I was quite annoyed at how they portrayed poor Mycroft. I get they need an antagonist, one that had the power, to move EH around and put her in places the script needed her to be but in the books he wasn’t such a pratt.

      • tombando says :

        Yeah I liked it better than you did Xi but the Mycroft as Mel Cooley stuff got old fast. 4th wall stuff I don’t mind(much), it can get gratuitous though.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        It wasn’t bad movie its just that I am very far from the target audience is all. I might have enjoyed it more if I watched it straight through instead of like 20 minute chunks over several days.

      • Just Pillow Talk says :

        Yes, they for sure made Mycroft a throwaway character.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        yep they sure did,

  5. M. Blitz says :

    So Xi, looks like we’ll be getting a season 2 on The Vow. Shocker. What a vile, crooked bunch.

    Last week’s ep was very difficult to get through. I wanted to slap Mark into oblivion (viciously so when he chastized bonnie for joking about sleeping on the dog bed). Nippy looked coked the fuck out on the pier. And I badly want to know if anyone walked out of these sessions or pushed back on any of it. The mind boggles. This week’s ep was basically, oh after 8 eps of long shots of Nippy on the laptop, sarah playing with kids, our aunt beru looking pensive or Catherine in a car, P.S….Mexico! (Which, have you seen the texts between Keith and the 15 year old?? Jesus fucking christ, it is beyond.) And Mark sitting on the floor crying about the pleasure Keith took from all this at the end seemed very revealing of him. How focused he was on Keith’s “pleasure.” (And stop showing slo mo shots of volleyball and award ceremonies like I’m gonna be sad for what you lost Mark. Like, did these people just need shitty office jobs? We have all kinds of stupid assemblies and awards ceremonies, chances for forced fun, softball/volleyball leagues, idiotic training, etc)

    HBO is teasing Keith’s side of the story and lots of “intimate” DOS stories in season 2. Escalating the sleaze, I suppose. Haven’t seen any of the Starz series that just started, but I hear it has more dirt on Mark and co.

    • tombando says :

      I did see Birds of Prey-it was Weird. I liked Some of it, had no idea it was Ewan Macgregor as the baddie. Pretty ok the best part of it was Margot Tobbie as Harley Quinn.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      I see you already heard of other doc about NXIVN.

      The last episode clarified something that has been floating around in my head the whole of the series and I think it will probably make me look really bad but here it is.

      When Reniere’s attorneys were doing their normal PR spiel “we’ll prove Keith is innocent, we’ll fight this blah blah blah. Normal defense horse shit. However one lawyer said something like this, these woman entered into a consensual relationship. Up to a point I think I have to agree with this idea. Was there heavy persuasion yes, could it be construed as coercive probably however did Reniere show up at their houses with The Saltzman and Bronfman’s and whoever else in tow with chains to take these woman away? No they didn’t. They just convinced them to go along with the program, at first. And that’s what has been going on in the back of my head, they woman in DOS all joined voluntarily. Edmonson and others all said they had a choice and they all took the bad outcome.

      • M. Blitz says :

        That’s funny. That was floating in my head the whole damn series but had quieted a bit by the end. I also felt it wasn’t a good look to bring up lol. I had been thinking early on about parallels with young dudes who join gangs. And, this is fucked up, but I even thought at one point, reminiscing, ‘girls can get prettty extreme’ (latered echoed in a voiceover by Mack!). So much of it could be construed as “consensual” and for the most part not strictly illegal (part of why i was fascinated that they included Mexico as a footnote when that is where the more clear cut criminal shit happened). On the other hand, we are talking a cult with all of the manipulation and psychological/social conditioning that entails. Those sessions that were basically conversion therapy to a misogynist worldview…ugh. To me, it preys on and validates fears about what men think of women “deep down”, what they REALLY think. Validating people’s deep-seated anxieties and self-loathing can be a very powerful thing. Especially if you are breaking down any possible defenses at the same time. And in a way it sort of plays off a quasi-misogynist assumption, that real harm involves physical duress, not emotional/psychological torture. Ironic, even, given stereotypes of men as violent and women as manipulative (and also emotionally “weak”). Keith used the stereotype against them at the same time he was inverting it. And by pushing back or crying foul, he could twist it like that proved his point.

        On the other, other hand, I remain highly skeptical of anyone associated with the doc.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        I want to make sure that its clear I’m not victim shaming them its just that there is a bit of the. go along to get along attitude, in the whole thing.

        The really sad thing is that the misogyny of Reniere is right out in the open he never hides it. Everybody just laughs it off as his alleged “genius” in “re framing” the discussion.
        Assholes like Mark and Nippy on the other hand found permission in him for letting their latent misogyny shine through. Its all so sordid and cheap and so easily done away with if anybody wasn’t blinded by hero worship and the programing they all so willingly bought into because they will “change the world” it did all right, their own personal world, for the worst.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        the new NXIUM Documentary confirms that Mark Vincente is a MAJOR LEAGUE SCUMBAG.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        also Alison Mack gahhhhhhhhh…she ain’t all there.

      • M. Blitz says :

        I didnt think you were victim-blaming (and hope you didn’t think I was! I had been hesitant to bring it up for that very reason.)

  6. Xiphos0311 says :

    Blitz there is a second NXIVN doc on Showtime called Seduced. It focuses more on the nuts and bolts of the cult and how they operated and dare I say I say it, seduced recruits.

    The downside I think, for you, might be that it follows India Oxenberg and thus Catherine. Its interesting seeing ideas and incidents from The Vow from a different angle. I have watched the first episode. I’ve included here a write up from The AV Club to save you from having to wade through my incoherent ramblings.


    • M. Blitz says :

      Oh I’m going to watch that one, prob in November. Catherine/India are still fascinating to me and I want to see info that isn’t filtered through Mark.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Those two come off way different in the new Doc. I learned that, and I might have missed it in The Vow, that Catherine was the one that, at first, was really gung ho about ESP and India was only into so so even though India is the one that suggested they go in the first place. The NXIUM’s were going after Catherine hard for being a D list celeb. Nancy Saltzman really worked on her full court press. on Catherine and it was working however the red flags mounted and she said screw this and got out. The kid didn’t for a variety of reasons the other doc goes into.That was their biggest mistake, keeping their hooks in the kid. If they just let her go then all the shit never would’ve come out. They went up against a mamma bear with money that was willing to throw it all away to get her kid back.

  7. M. Blitz says :

    You guys seen this yet? I’ve probably watched it 20 times already

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