Burt Gummer’s Rec Room

A gathering place for paranoid survivalists and those who worship at the Church of Chang

August 2015: Dryer than a bone, and hotter than the surface of the sun- yup, it’s summertime in Perfection and El Blanco is on the prowl.

Disclaimer: This is the part of the Church that is the most no holds barred. None of it is intended with malice, and although it can on occasion seem a little bit fraught, it is banter rather than venom. So, be warned that this is like taking a naked swim in a piranha tank and not recommended for the faint of heart.

2,835 responses to “Burt Gummer’s Rec Room”

  1. Xiphos0311 says :

    On a couple of recommendations I checked out the first few episodes of Longmire. it was pretty good I thought. this will sound condescending but isn’t, but the show reminded my of something simple from the 70/80’s. A clean easy self contained story without “undertones” or ‘complex(but not really) story telling of modern shows. In short its a decent time, The lead really nails the part. In fact the show is so good that even the smirking obnoxious presence of Starbuck doesn’t bother me and usually she spikes my blood pressure but not in a good way.

    • Continentalop says :

      Totally agree. That’s one of the reasons I like it. Has like a NBC Sunday Night Mystery feel – like it could play with McCloud, Columbo, and McMillan & Wife.

      StarBuck is one of my least favorite part. She seems like she is in a different show.

      • Continentalop says :

        Lou Diamond Phillip is a great supporting character too.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Yeah those are exactly the kinds of shows Longmire is like. That’s a good thing BTW.

        Starbuck is the odd duck in this thing. everybody else gets it but its like she refuses to get along and is doing her own thing. Do they ever explain how a homicide cop from Philly ends up in the ass end of nowhere Wyoming sheriff’s office?

        Why didn’t anybody tell me LDP was in this thing? I mean its LDP for Christ’s sake.

      • Continentalop says :

        They explain but it still feels forced. I think it would be more realistic if she was just a patrol officer – 3 or 4 years on the force – then moved because her husband got an oil job in Wyoming.

      • Judge Droid says :

        The main guy is Australian BTW. It was annoying me for the first few eps because I knew him from somewhere but couldn’t pick it. Turns out he was in a pretty much every single Aussie TV show of the late 80’s and 90’s, and he was one of the agents in the first Matrix movie.

      • Continentalop says :

        I like the lead. Doesn’t surprise me he isn’t American. We have a shortage of stoic actors nowadays.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        The Matrix! That’s why Longmire looked familiar. I should’ve read the entire IMDB article instead of just cruising through it.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        One of the things I like about the main character on Longmire is that he’s multi-faceted. Dude has a lot of practical skills and knowledge picked up over a life time but he’s also well read. In the manner of Colombo he plays off the hick character of himself to put people off guard, but he’s very capable under the aw-shucks personae. Added bonus Longmire a Colt government model man that’s always a sign of class.

      • Continentalop says :

        I like that about him too, Xi. He’s a guy who’ll know that a horse was recently shodded because he’s grown up around them, but also know something about Tunisia because he follows the news & likes to soke up info.

    • tombando says :

      Longmire works. I have seen 1st 2 yrs and like it as much as ever. You don’t go wrong w Rick Simon as a baddie.

  2. Continentalop says :

  3. just pillow talk says :

    Just saw Rogue One….I will need to see it again, and I really couldn’t rank it higher than SW and Empire, but damn if it didn’t feel like the third best of any Star Wars film.

    Acting I felt was solid, action was really good, slowed down when it needed to, much better than the Force Awakens. For me, packed more emotional punch except for Empire and the Luke/Vader/Emperor ending in Jedi. Happily surprised by this one.

  4. just pillow talk says :

    If I am flipping through channels and run across We Are Marshall….Gotta watch it. Such was the case this morning, I’m a sucker for that movie.

  5. tombando says :

    Watching my 13 buck Yr 1 Twilight Zone dvd set. Liking most of them, a couple I don’t remember, and some don’t work that well, but those that do, really do. Serling could write. And you get some Inger Stevens, Ida Lupino and Vera Miles for your money. Neat.

  6. Jarv says :

    Recent viewing:

    A lot of shit. London has Fallen amongst other “gems”.

    However, if you can get the BBC iPlayer, then I thoroughly recommend Stag- and it’s only 3 episodes.

    It’s about 5 really unlikable arseholes and 1 “everyman” who go on a stag weekend hunting in Scotland.

    Except they’re all prey to a nutter slaughtering them. 2 twists in it, one of which you should be able to call, but they set it up quite nicely. The second twist is a bad dose of Jackie from Roseanne syndrome, but I don’t think non-UK residents will recognise the actor so it may pass.

    Anyway, it’s mostly black comedy, but works an absolute treat.

    First thing the BBC have made in ages that I haven’t begrudged the license fee for. If they did more of this sort of thing and less glossy period drama crap like Poldark, then it’d be great.

    Also watched Sherlock. It’s total shit now.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      The last episode of Sherlock, which is probably the series finally, at least the version Bandersnatch Cumberscock, was a complete and utter mess of a show.

      • Jarv says :

        Didn’t watch it. After Mrs Watson turned out to be James Bonds fuglier sister I tuned out.

        Pity. The first series was good.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Shouldn’t that be Jane Bond? Yes I agree that was a stupid twist that they double down on more later.

      • tombando says :

        I always liked the Jeremy Brett nineties Holmes series. It was pretty okay, holds up fine. Slowish but I prefer it to Smaug Strange’s edition. Just opinion.

  7. Continentalop says :

    Finished S7 of Supernatural & just started S8. So far 8 is an improvement.

    S7 had good episodes but the Leviathon season arc just didn’t work for me. It was them trying to do They Live alien invaders. Doesn’t really work for Supernatural.

    S8 might suck but so far like is much more. Returning from war, I mean Purgatory, Dean is so far pretty interesting.

      • Jarv says :

        This is the season I threw in the towel on. About half way through.

        And the Leviathan series really tried my patience. I’m told it gets better again,

      • Continentalop says :

        Yeah S6 & 7 were hard to get through. They had some good episodes & nothing that ruined the characters, but they also became a chore to get thru. The Campbells, Eve, & especially the Leviathans all are huge disappointments & horribly executed.

        What sucks is there is kind of a kernel of a good idea involving HP Lovecraft & Purgatory. Blown opportunity imo.

        Jarvis is getting me nervous about S8. So far enjoying it but could see it taking a bad turn (especially with Sam melodrama).

  8. just pillow talk says :

    Enemy at the Gates…. Always thought this was a decent film. Ed Harris for the win.

  9. just pillow talk says :

    Someone here probably already has talked about it, but Vikings, is it any good? Caught the last half of an episode last night, wondering if it is worthwhile. I also watched some of Six, about a Navy seal team. It was the pilot episode, hard to judge naturally at this point.

    • tombando says :

      I think the Fran Tarkenton years were likely the best.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      PIllow Vikings, to me, is wildly uneven. It works when the Ragnar character or his ex wife Lagatha, who carved her way to an empire, are on screen. Also when the Floki or Rollo characters are around. However a lot of the other characters and story lines are boring and uninteresting.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Oh you caught a later episode after the death of Ragnar and the rise of his son Ivar the boneless.

      FFS they made a Dev Group show now? Fucking SEALS man they pimp everything.

  10. Continentalop says :

    Finished S8 of Supernatural. Liked it way better than S7, but still suffers from inconsistency compared to earlier seasons.

    S9 is when it gets back on track again, right?

    • just pillow talk says :

      You’ve made it through 8 seasons, why the fuck stop now?

      • Continentalop says :

        Oh I’m not giving up. Just slowing down unless it gets better (not a horrible show, just not as engrossing as S1-5)

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Conti, S8 is where the SN slowly begins to crawl its way back. S9 is where it really shows. You are lucky, on the Horizon is the SN “play” episode which might be its greatest meta-episode ever IMO.

      • Continentalop says :

        Well the last episode I saw might be the worst episode I’ve ever seen. It’s when they cast a spell & Dean can speak to animals & starts acting like a dog.

      • just pillow talk says :

        I don’t really remember that episode….And neither will you. Grab a bottle of your favorite adult beverage and wash away the canine.

      • Continentalop says :

        The Charlie episode involving the Wicked Witch & Dorothy helps ease the pain a little.

        Normally I’d think something as silly as “Slumber Party” would never work & be somethings I’d never like. Supernatural surprises me in what they can manage to pull off & make work.

        (Dog episode does suck though)

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Yeah SN misfires sometimes on their attempts at somewhat “whimsical’ episodes, however I think mostly, they pull it off way more then they fail. So for every dog episode you get like 5 Wizard of Oz types.

  11. tombando says :

    Watching year 2 of Quantam Leap, it’s usually worthwhile even though you find out that you are looking at the same old Sliders/Voyagers routine. Dean Stockwell is what made this show. Bakula is game and does a good job, but Stockwell is a riot.

  12. Xiphos0311 says :

    Longmire is surprising. I was sure they were going to avoid, like the plague, issues involving The Rez, both inflicted and self inflicted, but they aren’t they are going right at it. It’s also impressive the quality of guest stars they get on the show.

    • tombando says :

      Oh no, they hit the Rez stuff pretty straight on. I have been quite impressed by that. They shoot it in New Mexico, though its supposed to be Wyoming, but that is okay. Very good show.

      Johnny Yuma, Nick Adams doing the wandering adventurer in the old West routine. You have a quick and dirty vibe to the preceedings. Some of the guest stars–Johnny Cash, John Carradine, Strother Martin, while you see the in everything then are good. Cash is fun as a drunk baddie. It’s not as good as Paladin or Rifleman, but its not a bad show. Marathoning year one.

      Catching West Wing for the first time, never saw it much back when. Martin Sheen as the Prezzy and John Spencer as the chief of staff are great. I really liked Spencer in stuff like the Rock “Womack–you peesh uff SHITT–“, plus seeing Rob Lowe play some adviser who has a thing for hookers is a hoot. Not the most exciting plotlines, mind, but its promising.

    • Continentalop says :

      I like how Longmire handles the Cheyenne & Rez, but makes me wish they did a TV show just about Indian Rez cops. Great setting for a show.

  13. tombando says :

    And I had to have another early 70s flick fix-the Seven Ups with Roy Scheider, Tony Lo Bianca and Richard Lynch. Typical French Connection ish Friends of Eddie Coyle type thing, slow paced but has great car chase. I like this.

  14. just pillow talk says :

    The Revenant….Good, if over long. The bear attack scene was pretty outrageous, very realistic. It just needed to be tightened up in spots.

  15. Continentalop says :

    OK, so S9 has been pretty good (SPOILERS: Metatron is becoming one of my favorite villains) but damn, does this season have 2 of the worst episodes (the dog one & Bloodlines).

    Still, many good episodes to counteract those (“#thinman”, “Meta Fiction”, & “Alex Ann Alexis Annie” really standing out in the last 6-7 I’ve watched)

  16. tombando says :

    Wow Mary Tyler Moore is gone. Two main memories there-the Dick Van Dyke show, she’s great in that–Ohhhh Robbb! and a looker. And of course the MTM show in the 70’s with Ed Asner, Ted Knight, Betty White and Captn Stubing. That holds up really well too. I remember as a kid going to bed and my mother watching this in the living room in our trailer. That’s what hearing the theme music generally conjures up. Hard to fathom she was 80. Egads where do the years go?

  17. just pillow talk says :

    Now you see me 2….. Exactly what you would have expected. Nothing more to add.

  18. just pillow talk says :

    In other news…Arrow continues to be AMAZING since season 3………..…………………

  19. Continentalop says :

    Ok, watched “Fan Fiction.”

    That was awesome.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Yes sir Fan fiction is great possibly the best meta-episode of SN or possibly the best meta-episode of any series ever. its also one of the top five episodes of the entire series

      • Continentalop says :

        What I liked about Fan Fiction is that it was so willing to point out SN plot holes & dangling plots

        “Oh, that’s Adam. John’s other son…He’s trapped in Hell…with Lucifer.”

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        They don’t particularly shy away from pointing out the shows issues which is something I respect about SN.

  20. tombando says :

    Bunch of them, actually. Mannix died, Mike Connors. So did Barbara Hale, who played Della Street on Perry Mason a gazillion times. I think she was William Katt’s mom too.

    Mannix is one of those Quinn Martin Productions, I remember watching it as a kid but I haven’t seen it since. I like spotting him in a couple John Wayne movies in the fifties like Island in the Sky, he’s a pilot or whatever. He had a good career. Never knew he was an Armenian!

    I like Perry Mason. What Hale did with that part was going above and beyond. She could have just been a rote ‘gal Friday’, but she helped make that series work and work well. Good chemistry with Raymond Burr and the blonde guy there.

    John Hurt was fine too. Heck he was in the first Hellboy. Always made anything he appeared in better.

  21. tombando says :

    Okay, been marathoning year 8 of Wagon Train. Wow what an interesting experience. You have last season syndrome here-where they go off the deep end and try to get ratings with new things. You have a Poltergeist 6 year old blonde kid who is a leftover from the Donner party showing, and yes she’s real, you have a psychic, you have token black and asian kids in the background, and you have people like Rory Calhoun, Bruce Dern, Vera Miles, James Caan, Jack Lord, Michael Pate, William Smith, (look them up you know them), you see some Indian Rights being themed, etc. It’s not a bad show. What’s weird, is Wagon Train is one of those long time huge hits I never, ever saw. Rawhide, Gunsmoke, Bonanza, choked on those. This–vanished. And that’s a shame. The cast-be it early with Ward Bond and Robert Horton or later with John McIntire (yes you know him too), Robert Fuller and Terry Wilson, was a quality show. They were stagey and had cutesy kids along at times, dime store indian get ups, but it was worthy. Like the Virginian and the Danny Thomas Make Room for Daddy show, they just never got the syndication exposure that Green Acres or Gomer Pyle or Gilligan did. I donno why. You have Bobby Darin in one episode. You know, the Mack the Knife guy? Scary good talent. Worth seeing is all I’m saying if you get the chance.

    It’s like my Cagney fetish that Condi Pops here likes. I discovered Cagney late, but am glad I did. He was so fucking good at what he did. I defy you to see White Heat and tell me that he wasn’t a Mt Rushmore level guy. I remember being told back on AICN that he was a one dimensional actor that played the same role 100 times. By people that creamed their pants at all things Bruce Campbell. So I donno. I think Cagney was as good as it got. I might be wrong. But I think I’m not.

  22. Continentalop says :

    Got three more things I’ve got to say on behalf of SN:

    1) I think this is the only network show I’ve seen where characters knuckles get red or bruised or bloody after throwing a punch.

    2) Dark Charlie vs. Dean was the best girl vs. guy fight I’ve seen on TV.

    3) I still prefer seasons 1-5, but I’ve got to say female recurring characters have gotten better in later seasons. Charlie, Jody Mills, Claire Novak, Donna Hanscum are better overall than Ellen, Jo, Pamela, Ruby & Bela IMHO.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      That’s a fair assessment. I agree.

    • Judge Droid says :

      RE: 1. Fringe is a show that gave the characters cuts and bruises from the various fights and incidents they were in. They also carried them over from one ep to the next so a character will still be sporting bruises etc in the next ep.

      • tombando says :

        Rockford always hurt his hand while in a fistfight. And you’d see them get beat up bad in Simon and Simon, at least there was a bit of an attempt at a black eye or whatever there. Not that often, mind, but its there.

        Watching season 2 of Kojak. So far its good fun. ‘Stavros!!’. Savalas rocked.

      • Anonymous says :

        Rockford was always showing him hurting his hand or getting a boxing fracture after throwing a punch. But SN is the only show I can remember on network tv that spends time putting makeup on the knuckles to show them red or scrapped and bleeding. It a little touch I really appreciate.

      • Continentalop says :

        Yeah, I remember Rockford always hurting his hand or getting a boxing fracture (and I haven’t seen Fringe), but SN is the only show I can remember when they show Dean or Sam after a fight with scrapped or bloody knuckles. I like that touch.

      • Jarv says :

        Ok. I think I’ve got the ultimate cure for Olyphantitis.

        Santa Clarita Diet.

        Wooooooh boy. It’s terrible. It’s desperately trying to be Twin Peaks does Desperate Housewives.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Never heard of it.

      • Jarv says :

        It’s a Netflix series. Stars drew Barrymore as a sentient zombie married to olyphant. It’s a horror comedy that manages to be neither scary nor funny.

        He’s dreadful in it

  23. tombando says :

    Kojak is fun, very 1974. Passing through are guys like Gordon Jump, Steve McHattie, etc. Fun seeing his brother ‘Stavros’, looks like Norm on Cheers. Show has pacing issues at times but its a good time. You have to like Telly.

    Spencer for Hire, yr 2, 1986-87. Wow haven’t seen it in 30 years. Robert Urich was a solid, stolid reliable TV face, Vegas etc. You get Avery Brooks as the tough guy black dude, Richard Jaeckel, etc. Passing through–Sam Jax as a pimp, John Collum (Northern Exposure barkeep) as a mob guy, etc. Quite a contrast in styles, music, cars, pacing, etc between 1974 and 1986 between the two.

  24. tombando says :

    Fun casting in one ep of Spencer for Hire—Strategic Guest Stars JT Walsh, Rob Morrow and of course our friend Avery Brooks. Northern Exposure there is fun as a bike messenger. Walsh literally walks through his role. I enjoy seeing how Marvin Hagler-ish they tried to make Sisko look too.

  25. tombando says :

    Enjoyed another run through the WIld Bunch. Pretty fun just seeing the cast-Edmond O’Brien(!) almost unrecognizable, Warren Oates, Ben Johnson, Robert Ryan, Dub Taylor, Bo Hopkins, Strother Martin, etc. Its great, of course. You also never see Borgnine better or Holden in as tough a role. Its well worth seeing once a year or so.

  26. tombando says :

    So I broke down and got the Extended version of Hobbit 3-Big Orc Battle at Wallyworld for not that much. Ummmm its the first time I have watched one of that series since seeing them in the theatre 2 plus years ago. You know, there are some pretty inventive ideas, gimmicks, weapons etc that they bring out, especially for that big Dwarven army led by our friend on the pig? The ‘twirlies’ and the billygoat charge and all that. Hell Billy Connelly gets to tell the elves to all Sod themselves and calls their fey leader a Princess in this cut. I laughed at that.

    But—this is Jurassic Kong syndrome all over again. The two main baddie orcs. Bolg and Azog-no I don’t remember which one was which-are taken out in an overkill elaborate couple of set peices, one involving a frozen lake, that would be at home in a Mikey Bay flick. There’s things there that make no sense. There’s supposedly a second orc army on the way, but when it arrives, you sort of see them getting attacked by the eagles and the bear dude, and that’s supposedly enough to beat them? I’m half expecting Jimmy the Cabin boy to show again.

    And where exactly did the idea of making Baggins into a cameo for this movie come about? You see Legolas and elf chick there far far more, neither of whom are in the book. Think about that. Yes they by rights if you do the retconn thing, Would have been there, at least Bloom, but c’mon. Totally out of whack.

    The taking out of Sauron is fine but again all conjecture on Sir Petey Jax’s part. They never quite figured out how to make Galadriel come to life without her doing the ‘Blue Freakout’ routine.

    So to cleanse the pallet, I put in Big Clock right after. Wow that’s pretty good. Ray Milland and Maureen O’sullivan for the win.

  27. tombando says :

    Breaking out Jaws for my yearly watch. Up to the Indianapolis scene now. That really gives me chills watching it every time. Scar comparison is fun too.

  28. tombando says :

    There’s this neato bio on Leonard Nimoy on Netflix by his son, who seems to be a director of sorts. Its a couple hours long and doesn’t gloss over the man’s failings much–one thing I never knew was he was a drunk. Nimoy on camera with Shatner, say 10 years ago? is discussing it started on the Trek set late 60s and lasted til 1989, his happy second marriage resulting in a dryout center trip. And he and his son were very on again, off again in their relationship, son was a dead head and up til 2006 wasn’t talking to him alot. Typical family stuff. Shatner sez that the last couple years of Nimoys life he and Spock weren’t friends, something about Shatner using footage of Nimoy for some ‘get all the Trek Captains together’ show, and it was without Nimoy’s permission. So there was some hurt feelings there I guess. It is worth watching, for the most part rather glowing about Nimoy and his life and work and influence, as a longtime I think Trek is fine but it’s hardly Giant Robot type fan, I thought it was worthwhile.

    • M. Blitz says :

      Knew Nimoy was a bad drinker back in the day, but didn’t know about his falling out with Shatner over the Captains thing. Sucks when that happens. Will be watching this very soon. According to wikipedia, that 2nd wife is Michael Bay’s cousin. That’s a quick game of 6 Degrees of Giant Robots!

      • tombando says :

        I was surprised that he was a lush, but I shouldn’t be, seems to go with the territory. I havent changed my opinion on him any, very solid guy and and actor. Just interesting to see what he was about off camera. With a giant robot.

      • M. Blitz says :

        Goes with the territory, the times and the generation for sure. Still sad about him. Like him in Invasion of the Body Snatchers too.

  29. tombando says :

    Unpopular opinion-Spidey 2 is a good movie. I watched it again for the first time in some years, it holds up rather well, esp the two Doc Ock vs Spidey skyscraper fights. Never the biggest fan of Kirsten Dunst as MJ and the mopey Spidey stuff gets old fast, but there is plenty there to like. It makes you wonder how they went so wrong in #3.

  30. M. Blitz says :

    Who’s seen The Babadook?

    • Continentalop says :

      The movie? Yes. Really enjoyed it.

      The actual Babadook? No.

      • M. Blitz says :

        I was really impressed and it was giving me cold creeping shivers on the tops of my arms and legs. I haven’t felt that TENSE watching a movie in a long while.

        Still on the fence about the appearance (aside from the awesome tv montages) and voice of the Babadook. On the one hand, it was kind of distancing (an aside– it is fun to imitate the voice saying baa-baa-DOOOOK), on the other hand, maybe the distance was warranted? It detracted a little from the scary-horror aspect, while maybe–I haven’t decided- contributing to the thematic-horror in the end. The end was such a mind-fuck. I’m probably going to watch it again this week…so many little odd details. I hope that lady directs some more movies stat!

        Rounded out the weekend with We Need to Talk About Kevin, which was as good as i remembered. Lynne Ramsay should also direct some more movies. I’ve been reading “Devotional Cinema” by Nathaniel Dorsky and the movie reminds me of some of the ideas he talks about. The jumps in time and weaving together of memory with the present by these visual rhymes were done really well.

        Got The Witch lined up for tonight!

      • M. Blitz says :

        The witch didnt do it for me. Though I’m fairly certain I dozed off for maybe 10 or 15 minutes in the middle. Found it eh, ok, nothing more.

  31. Just Pillow Talk says :

    Phone died, still waiting for my replacement. I have a loaner which is not the best….

    Can’t remember everything I’ve seen since I last posted, but some more recent stuff…

    The Accountant – quite liked this, Affleck was good.

    Lego Batman – whole family liked this, funny SO much better than the Lego movie.

    Suicide Squad – horrible, just horrible.

  32. Just Pillow Talk says :

    A tad late and all, but WTF, worst coaching ever to end a game, in a huge game, that I’ve ever seen with the Falcons. In the bag. Run. The. Ball.

  33. tombando says :

    Interesting watching the Japanese TV series of Spidey from 1978. He is allied with a big flying robot Yellow Kat. Yes. It’s….Amazing. You need to see this. Yes you do. It’s on you tube.

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