Supernova (2000)

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Director: Thomas Lee (or Walter Hill)

Starring: James Spader, Angela Bassett, Robin Tunney

Space… vast, unknowable… what lies beyond its endless, intemerate dark? Perhaps worlds of zephyrean solitude, or monstrous, despairing horrors the human mind was never meant to comprehend. Or maybe it’s just a bum-fluffed cockwomble blatting endlessly about sod all. From visionary director Thomas Lee comes this exercise in SF terror as a medical ship receives a distress call from a distant mining colony and on arrival the crew discovers a lone survivor in possession of a glowing alien artifact… May contain the bamboozling sight of a 1970’s robot dressed as a 1940’s fighter pilot & spoilers.

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Did you know this movie was so bad even Alan Smithee demanded his name took off it? Nah, kidding. Hollywood retired Smithee, a name that had by now become too well known for its connotation, a pseudonym for those directors wishing to expunge their name from the credits for a variety reasons, none good. And so, Thomas Lee was born. And the first recipient of this nom de plume? Step forward, Mr. Walter Hill. He wasn’t the only director attached to Supernova; Geoffrey Romper Stomper Wright was due to film what had been described as ‘Hellraiser in space’ but he sacked it in dispute over script re-writes about a month before filming was due to begin. At least that’s the (un)official line, but I wouldn’t be surprised if MGM booted Wright through a lack of confidence trusting a little-known director with a (mooted) $90 million movie. So, Hill came in and delivered the film but MGM were severely displeased with the end product and requested a screening for a test audience which Hill refused. They screened it anyway and Hill walked. Supernova got shelved and languished in the post-production dead zone for a couple of years until Jack The Hidden Sholder was brought onboard to rescue the project, reshooting extensively. Even more surprisingly, Apocalypse Coppola stuck his oar in and commenced re-editing the picture; I think his brief was ‘more sexy’. Somewhere in the midst of this fall-out, Walter Hill declined a credit.

"I did one of these in Stargate... my hair was longer then..."

“I did one of these in Stargate… my hair was longer then…”

Honestly, can Hill’s cut have been any worse? It’s impossible to tell how much of what he filmed is in the final cut. Certainly the deleted scenes hint at a darker, gorier, yet more thoughtful movie but it’s unlikely everything he shot got scrapped. So who’s to blame – Wright, Hill, Sholder… Lee? The sad thing is there are signs of life in the film, medical vessel the Nightingale (I know, I know…) dropping out of warp and into a whole shed-load of trouble, one disaster stacking up on top of another – an exploding blue giant, ship spinning out of control and a captain looking like he’s on the wrong end of the Philadelphia Experiment. Whoever is responsible for this portion of the film did a good job generating at least some tension and excitement. Unfortunately, everything else is a patchwork of scenes, particularly early on; it’s like watching a kid pick up a toy, play with it for a minute then get bored and pick up something else instead – repeat as unnecessary.

Oh, look, the ship's got an Alien-dome head...

Oh, look, the ship’s got an Alien-dome head…

I can’t for the life of me see what it was they wanted to do here; it positively is not ‘Hellraiser in space’. I believe William Malone’s initial story was geared in such a direction however his version, Dead Star, didn’t get picked up by a studio. A few years later it resurfaced in the hands of a bloke called Daniel Chuba who re-wrote the script and re-titled it Supernova. Things get sketchy here but I would hypothesise that the spectacle of Event Horizon (a movie not so much Hellraiser – irrespective of ‘in space’ – as an SF/ horror ‘how d’yer do’) thudding onto screens certainly set a few sphincters oscillating on Team Supernova. Another writer came in, David Campbell Wilson, presumably to shift the movie away from Event’s events and into something else but no-one could agree on what. All of the above took place over the course of, I dunno, eight years or so, I’ve had a hell of a job piecing it together and I can’t honestly say I’ve got it spot on. You’d be astonished at how much of a dog’s dinner was made of Supernova, the production must’ve gone backwards and sideways more times than an Italian tank. What is it Nick says in the film? “I’m in favour of order. I’d say right now order is up by one point with one minute left and chaos has the ball…” Prophetic, though I don’t think they were up one by this point.

"Please kill me... so I can get paid and go home."

“Please kill me… so I can get paid and go home.”

The crew introductions are almost unwatchable, haphazard and inconsistent as they are. From the off, there’s an initial attempt to HAL-ify the ship computer, Sweetie, right down to ‘would you like to play a game of chess’. We go to Nick Vanzant (James Spader), who is a recovering junkie and the doctor, Kaela (Angela Bassett) isn’t happy about having him around. Nick’s quite pithy about his reason for getting a job on the Nightingale, “I like deep space; it’s quiet.” But she ain’t convinced. Her urging him to get to know the crew is puzzling as we’ve already seen him playing ping-pong with Captain Marley (Robert Forster) during the opening (as well as Yerzy & Danika shagging). Off he goes for a pointless chat with Benjamin (Wilson Cruz, replacing Vincent D’Onofrio who sensibly bailed when Wright walked), then Nick reports back to Kaela and they have, in effect, the same conversation as before only in close-up, then off he goes again. Still not content, we get a third match up whereupon (and despite no significant sea change from their previous encounters) they become intimate after a leading discussion about how you get a whole pear in and out of a sealed brandy bottle. As conversations loaded with ambiguity go, it’s not quite ‘snails and oysters’. Then it’s all systems go with the Space Erotica™, allowing for a spot more weightless sex (but not in the same league as The Uranus Experiment) and random nudity thanks to the perfectly formed Danika (Robin Tunney) and then having her fall under the seductive spell of the enigmatic Karl Larson (Peter Facinelli), who amazingly is also Bassett’s ex – but not as she remembers him, he’s impossibly youthful for a start. So he says ‘Bah, you got me’ and admits to being Karl’s son, Troy…

"Is that an alien artifact in your pocket or are you j... oh, you're not wearing any trousers are you..."

“Is that an alien artifact in your pocket or are you j… oh, you’re not wearing any trousers are you…”

The crew has a robot assistant, about as basic as you can get, dressed up like a 1940’s aircraft pilot. When I watched this movie for the first time I recall pointing at the screen and shouting ‘Sleeper!’ Flyboy looks uncannily like Woody Allen disguised as a robot in Sleeper. I cannot fathom what the Nightingale is doing with such an ungainly robotic assistant; even when controlled by Kaela via a VR device Flyboy appears to be having an epileptic fit. I know there was a notion to cheer up Malone’s script and I’m presuming this is one example. Nick’s deadpan reaction speaks for the audience and the explanation for Flyboy’s decor is hung on a personal quirk of Marley’s but the script doesn’t give the captain an opportunity to explain himself and nothing is made of the Flyboy character, save for a deus ex machina moment later on. This scene, Spader and Bassett with the scatty bot’s introduction, is infused with a peculiar sea-faring camera motion; the picture queasily rolls back and forth, up and down… Was this DP Lloyd Ahern’s idea? They’re in space for pity’s sake! They’ve got artificial gravity, they aren’t weightless (shagging apart) – they are not pulling leeward amid the wild briny on a creaking galleon. This irrational, vom-inducing camera stunt continues to irritate for the entire running time and is about as welcome as George W. Bush would be at a wake for Hugo Chavez.

The giant, translucent bell-end; note Benjamin licking his lips there...

The giant, translucent bell-end; note Benjamin licking his lips there…

Karl Larson isn’t a scary person. Remember Karl? The bloke who isn’t Karl but is actually Troy? Well, he’s not Troy, he’s Karl. See? Yeh, anyway, he blathers on about rock all intended as having a deeper meaning and you only have to listen to a couple of minutes of his patter before an overwhelming desire to cave his smug face in comes violently upon you. His courting of Danika is painful. Danika and Yerzy (the legendary Lou Diamond Phillips) are an item but she’s not altogether on the same page with Yerzy’s desire to have a child with her. It is this hesitancy Karl uses – “…it’s not mind reading, it’s just knowing…” – to get Danika out of her knickers with some cringingly foul hogwash about only ever being sure how she feels about Yerzy if she allows Karl to chuck his muck in her direction first. It’s not properly communicated how she falls for this unmitigated honk; she just does. Then she falls out of it again forcing you to wonder ever more how she fell in it in the first place. Phillips attempts an arc, good guy displaying his darker side under the artifact’s influence but that goes as far as Flyboy’s reason for being does, i.e. nowhere; Yerzy, ahem, ‘joins’ with the translucent, phallic object while ethereal orgasms emanate from within it. And, sadly, his obsession with the object turns Karl jealous. Who can forget Yerzy’s head getting smashed to a pulp, yet when Karl disposes of the body, J’s head is suspiciously intact…

"What? They blacked up a white bitch to play my ass?"

“What? They blacked up a white bitch to play my ass?”

Benjamin, meanwhile, (I think he’s the comic relief, the bloke we’re meant to relate to) becomes the ‘female in peril’, mainly due to the various shades of mince Cruz has been painting into his character. But here, and there’s no way of telling if this is deliberate or not, the film chisels out a semblance of drama by having Sweetie refuse to take a life – Karl’s – thereby dooming Benj even as she tries to compute his request for help. This scene is so very nearly good and I like the way the ‘HAL’ thing from the beginning gets flipped. Anyhow, knowing Karl isn’t scary they stick ‘evil’ make-up on Facinelli’s gibb from here on in… and he’s still not scary. Karl is just a weakly written non-entity, devoid of charisma and screen presence. It’s almost a relief when Nick announces, fully in keeping with the Space Erotica™, “I’m coming for you, Karl…” The diaphanous glowing cock, it transpires, is made up of (deep breath) 9th dimensional isotopic matter destined to blow up the Universe and replenish the resulting space with all the essential elements for life; in other words, a right bunch of bosons to you, mate.

Evil contact lenses = instantly scary

Evil contact lenses = instantly scary

James Spader gamely tries to hold the movie together. I like his performance here, the lower pitch in his voice, the quiet resolve with which he takes control of the situation. Maybe they should’ve cast Spader as Karl. Bassett, too, does some good work (there’s an odd moment when her lips are saying something the ADR isn’t) but I’m not buying those two as star-crossed lovers no matter how many fuzzy close-ups of the smouldering couple Hill/ Sholder throw in. It is also amusing to note that the copulating figures we see floating in an observation bubble don’t belong to Bassett or Spader; it’s an out-take of Facinelli and Tunney getting it on, with Tunney’s skin darkened digitally to match Bassett. Potentially her best scene gets bum-rushed by trigger-happy editing, when Kaela must decide whether to save Marley or put him out of his misery after a traumatic hypersleep capsule malfunction – he’s biologically fused to the inside of it. Her final decision gets lost in the mayhem and doesn’t pack the emotional wallop it should. Not that Forster’s complaining, his input had already been hacked down to bare bones judging by the deleted scenes, it’s barely worth him turning up for work.

Walter Hill finds a clever way back on set to deliver his verdict

Walter Hill finds a clever way back on set to deliver his verdict

There’s some good design work and a few fairly decent FX. From an artistic viewpoint, considering the amount of blue tones on display they probably should have avoided the crew having blue uniforms as well, but that’s the least of Supernova’s problems. Bizarrely, the movie picks the pockets of Roger Corman, specifically Forbidden World, by having the film play out in flash-forward imagery during the Nightingale’s dash through hyperspace, a product (we’re to believe) of faster-than-light travel. Technically, I suppose, not incorrect because by outpacing light you would be zipping into the future, but then again it’s a future that hasn’t happened yet and… oh, is that time?

A terrible, mystifying mess and I’ve gone on far too long about it.

Trailer: http://tinyurl.com/bxbaork – complete with stuff not in the movie, alternate takes and a musical choice that turns the entire debacle into a comedy.

 

You can have 1 Woody-bot, coz I like Spader

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Cheers, folk

ThereWolf, March 2013

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49 responses to “Supernova (2000)”

  1. Judge Droid says :

    the legendary Lou Diamond Phillips

    Oh dear.

    Now, I have to say that I quite enjoyed this movie. No, it’s not very good, and it’s obviously chopped to shit, but I’d read all the drama about the production and whatnot, so I was expecting a clusterfuck. It was a very nice looking mediocre film for me. I thought Spader was actually quite good, and as you say, held the movie together. It’s no Kilmer in Red Planet Fuck You performance, but it’s solid.

    It’s certainly better than Event Horizon.

    • ThereWolf says :

      I just thought I’d do a quick review, minimum research (coz I’m a lazy twat)… then I started to unravel all the production shenanigans and realised I couldn’t do the review without reference to it.

      No, I don’t think it’s better than Event Horizon. I despised EH when it came out but over the years it’s grown on me. Rubbish, all the same.

      LDP FTW!

  2. Jarv says :

    Haven’t seen this.

    Event Horizon is a massive ball of meh. That it’s Anderwank’s second best film (Shopping is his best) is tragic.

    Well tragic for us, as the bastard keeps getting work.

  3. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    Got to say Event Horizon is better than this, but that’s saying nothing. EH is meh bordering on crap, but this was honestly embarrasing, and I’ve seen more of these deep space horror films than I care to remember. Dark Side of the Moon anyone?

    There are maybe a handful of potentially interesting scenes, but its such a miscalculated chopped to pieces mess. It doesnt really resemble sci-fi or the haunted house in space it was going for either.

    Spader was fine, but he deserved a better movie. They all did, even Lou.

    Wolf, did you ever see Cargo? You’d probably enjoy it. An interesting riff on the creepy spaceship genre that goes in different directions than slop like this. I reviewed it a bit ago here: http://popcultureninja.com/2011/09/01/sci-fi-amad-september-1st-cargo-2009/

    • Judge Droid says :

      Got to say Event Horizon is better than this

      You don’t got to say that. No one’s got to say it. I don’t want to live in a world where anybody got to say it! Goodbye cruel world!

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        I know. It’s like trying to convey the benefits of picking up the crusty dog doo vs. the wet, fresh, looks like porridge, kind.

        And that’s my Harry Knowles reviewer impression, folks.

        Finally saw the end of Fringe, Droid. I quite liked it. I too thought a downbeat ending was in the cards, but I’ll be honest–after all this time with those characters, as a fan, that’s not what I wanted.

        They did a really nice job wrapping it up and it certainly felt complete when they did so.

      • Judge Droid says :

        You only just saw it? Yes, I didn’t feel it nailed the ending like I hoped it would, but it wrapped up nicely enough and I wasn’t disappointed. Overall a very good show and one I’ll watch again.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        I only just saw it because I was running behind several eps, and my wife–who got hooked and requested I wait for her–kept falling asleep everytime we attempted to watch it.

        To my great shame, we finished Downton Abbey before Fringe.

        I’m thinking they intend that Karl Urban android cop thingee to fill the Fringe void.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Karl Urban android cop thingee

        Never heard of it, but I’m interested if it has Urban in it.

        I will hold my tongue about the Downton Abbey thing.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        also, with Fringe, I think it might be overall one of the most successful sci-fi shows, considering that it finished up before it powered down and lost its momentum. There was never a bad season with Fringe.

        The same can hardly be said for any other scifi show I can think of.

      • Judge Droid says :

        It was an occasionally bumpy ride, but overall it was a very good show. It took a while to get going, but as soon as it moved away from the MOTW and into the overarching story it improved immeasurably. It seemed to paint itself into a corner at the end of season three, but season four took about 5-6 eps to get that sorted.

        One thing I liked about the show is that it was essentially made with only the fans in mind. If you dropped in to any season probably after 2, you wouldn’t know what the hell was going on and it would be very difficult to catch up without going back and watching it from the beginning. That probably hurt its broad appeal, but it helped make the show better.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        The other thing it did quite successfully was maintaining interest and pay-off. Unlike certain shows—Lost, Alias, etc—where they have to keep putting off actual resolution to maintain mystery and interest, Fringe would never leave one season without definitely resolving at least some of its opened plot threads. Season one was the rockiest, but at the same time it had the experience of watching Jackson and Noble carry the show and the characters build their relationships, which was fun in and of itself. For a first season, I thought it was less precarious than most.

        But, that first season was a MOTW, rogue science show. At the end they open up a big reveal with the concept of alternate universes, and season 2 really ran with that including tying these ideas into the character’s back stories, culminating in actual visits and interaction with that universe that became season 3, and season 4 was amazing because of everything it had to juggle, including rewriting rules about two separate sets of the same characters. It was a little dramatically terse until one character’s return about five eps in, but even then it was still interesting and clearly headed some place.

        Five was obviously a gamble in the sense that the last ep of season 4 could have been a suitable series finale, and yet this one tells a contained story set apart from the central series but still connected to it. It truly felt like they were constantly changing up the shows trajectory and I think that helped it immensely. And there’s no case of too little praise for Jackson and Noble. Yes, Anna Torv was ultimately instrumental too. Complaints of her acting were not justified in later seasons where she sold two versions of herself as being fundamentally different, and actually pulled off a stint pretending to be Leonard Nimoy.

        Like you said, I’ll be watching it again.

      • Judge Droid says :

        The other thing it did quite successfully was maintaining interest and pay-off.

        This has to do with the fact that it was in danger of being cancelled from probably season two onwards. They had to kind of balance the end of each season with a satisfactory conclusion for either cancellation or continuation.

      • Judge Droid says :

        I always thought Torv was fine. She does get better as the show goes on, but her character develops and becomes warmer and more accessible. In the first season she’s the strong-willed woman in a mans world type character, but as the show kind of shifts the Fringe division away from a government bureau to an almost independent unit that element kind of became non-essential.

        Also, most peoples complaint is that she’s a relation of Murdoch and has a large forehead (which I don’t really see).

      • Judge Droid says :

        But the stars of the show are Pacey and Noble, and that relationship.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        Did they ever fix Murdoch niece’s 5 head?

      • Judge Droid says :

        I never really thought she had a huge forehead. Not an Ellen Paige style forehead anyway. But to answer your question, there are plot developments later in the show that necessitate a “different look” and part of that is a hairstyle with a fringe (or bangs as you yanks call them) that covers her forehead. Also, in the first season her character is very much a “women in a mans world” so her look reflects that with power suit type outfits and her hair tied back quite severely. That probably doesn’t help. In later series that’s not really part of the character, so her look is more relaxed.

        You should give the show another shot if you can get past the forehead. It’s up and down but overall one of the best scifi shows.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        The ONLY reason the show got past 6 dreadful episodes the first season is that 5 heads aunt spread her legs for Murdoch. If it wasnt’ for that Fringe would have be shit canned long before it was.

    • ThereWolf says :

      Yeh, I agree about EH, Echo. The only fun I get out of it is spotting all the rip-offs. It’s a good looking movie though, thanks to the eye of Adrian Biddle.

      I haven’t seen Cargo – I’ll go and see if Lovefilm have got it…

  4. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    I never had any issues with Torv either–my comment was made because I recall similar criticisms–five-head and Murdoch’s niece, and because I do think she developed quite a bit as an actress as the show went forward.

    The Urban show has finished casting and is shooting soon I think, it’s realistically going to be probably be something headed for next year. Michael Ealy is his co-star.

    http://popcultureninja.com/2013/03/12/karl-urbans-gonna-get-a-robot-for-a-partner-in-new-j-h-wymanj-j-abrams-pilot/

    • Judge Droid says :

      That’ll be worth a try. Who’s Michael Ealy?

      • Judge Droid says :

        Don’t worry. Googled him. Don’t recognise him. Only thing he’s been in that I’ve seen is 2 Fast 2 Furious (FTW!!!) and Seven Pounds (FTF!!!).

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        you’ve likely seen him before, in some cheap action movie. He’s one of those guys who probably has great potential but right now he’s like the pursuing cop or the sidekick or third crook from the middle.

        He’s from here in Maryland actually, done a ton of television. You may know him better as Slap Jack from 2 Fast, 2 Furious.I’ve not seen the movie but that’s his IMDB credit.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Yeah, no idea who he is in 2F2F. Haven’t seen it for ages.

      • Judge Droid says :

        More importantly, how DARE you not have completed the Fast and Furious experience! Don’t make me come over there, a quarter mile at a time, and beat yo ass.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Is it sick that the film I’m looking forward to most this year is a fast and furious film? I have the sneaking suspicion it’s at least a little sick.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        I dont think it’s sick. Afteral, part 5 was arguably the movie you enjoyed most the summer of 2011 and I think it was tied at the top of your best of list too. Seeing as how these days the general consensus hot ticket movies arent usually all they are cracked up to be, it makes sense to bet on the ones that at least have a history of entertaining you.

        I do think it looks like one of the summer’s more entertaining movies, although this summer–dare I say it–is looking like it might provide a bit of fun. Iron Man 3 and Stark Trek and Fast and Furious all look like (potentially) solid entertainments, and that’s just May.

      • Judge Droid says :

        If it wasn’t for the music in that latest IM3 trailer, I’d have been more impressed. But yes, that looks like it could be good. Shane Black is a good bet. Meh to Trek.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        Stark Trek….looks like I was combining franchises in my mind.

        BTW, I saw Burt Wonderstone and thought it was pretty funny. Dumb in that Talladega Nights or Other Guys way, but still funny. Arkin and Carrey were the MVPs, but Carell was solid and Buscemi, it was just good to see him again in something more than a Sandler cameo.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Cool. It’s on my radar now by virtue of starring a funny Carrey for once.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        well, I think I liked the last Trek more than you did, and I miss good space opera. I tell you what I am really looking forward to is Ender’s Game. Really hope they don’t screw that up They have a good cast and a good director and great source material.

      • Judge Droid says :

        My knowledge of Ender’s Game starts at “E” and ends and “e”. I have absolutely no idea what it’s about.

        And you had John Carter for your space opera!

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        well, more space opera. I’ve rewatched Carter, and I still enjoy it. It is a mess though, narratively speaking.

        Ender’s Game was a scifi novel by Orson Scott Card. The basic premise is that advanced and gifted children of the future are trained in military compounds so they can lead a fight against an alien race that previously attacked the Earth.

        The cast right now is Harrison Ford, Ben Kingsley, Hallie Stanfield, Abigail Breslin, Asa Butterfield (Hugo), and Viola Davis.

        Gavin Hood is the director, who did the excellent Tsotsi and more fun than it should have been Wolverine: Origins.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        and yes, ‘more fun than it should have been’ was Droid bait. It is however, better than people seem to think.

      • Judge Droid says :

        Well, I like Davis and the Finger of Doom. Sounds alright.

        Wolverine was better than I expected, and the best X-Men movie because it’s actually pretty fun. I have no idea why nerds hate it.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        you know what’s odd though? Have we seen anything at all for the new Wolverine that Mangold is directing. Am I wrong, or isnt that supposed to be coming out this summer?

        Given we usually see teasers for these things whole years in adavance, it’s odd that its March and no sign of Wolvie.

      • Judge Droid says :

        I don’t think that comes out until August though. I’m looking forward to that actually.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        Looks like its end of July, but still, stuff like Pacific Rim (looking 80% less cool than I was hoping for) has had two or three trailers already and it releases only a week or two sooner. Hopefully its a case where they are confident and trying to give some room for Iron Man before ramping up. I’d imagine the big trailers and stuff will appear right in front of Iron Man.

        Strangely, they did just release some photo stuff yesterday, it looks like. And even this article can’t help but take a swipe at Wolvie 1 while praising First Class.

        http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2013/03/14/the-wolverine-character-portraits/

      • Judge Droid says :

        The difference between Wolverine and Pacific Rimjob is the built in fanbase. Everyone knows Wolverine. No one knows PR. So they don’t need to push Wolverine until later.

      • Judge Droid says :

        And yes, PR looks shit. I won’t write it off but those trailers have not made me want to see it.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        still, usually a poster or something. But, what it may boild down to is that Mangold made a real movie that’s not so easily highlighted in trailers and will benefit from the ‘where the hell did you come from?’ approach.

        Think Rise of the Planet of the Apes, where it releases in August, we dont see a trailer until May, and up until that point it’s pretty much out of sight, out of mind.

        That’s probably the thinking here. Anyway, I’m still thinking PR might end being a fine, fun action movie, but you dont get that from the trailers which have been very bland. Maybe they are trying to hide the movie, which is fine, but then make a more mysterious captivating trailer, not an ugly one.

      • Judge Droid says :

        I’m pretty sure they’ve released a poster or two.

      • Judge Droid says :

        PR doesn’t look ugly. It looks FUCKING ugly. The actors bluescreened in front of murky ps2 level cg. I don’t know what I was expecting, but i wasn’t expecting it to look like shit. Like or hate Del Toro’s movies, but they’re all good looking.

  5. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    I’m actually short only the second one. Is it honestly worth watching? I disliked one pretty strongly, thought 3 was meh, 4 was ok, 5 was fun. Honestly, with the exception of the first the others were better than I expected, but then I was expecting complete ass.

    • Judge Droid says :

      First is rubbish. 2nd is dumber than a sack of rocks, but quite fun. More fun that 3.

      I don’t know why I like that series so much. Really, 5 is the only legit good movie. But I’ve enjoyed them all but the first one, and now I look less harshly on that one by simple virtue of the sequels.

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