The Golden Changs 2011- The Film Awards. The Nominations are:


Break out the red carpet, dust down your party gear, crack open the booze, and score as many class A’s as you can, because it’s now time for 2011’s annual Golden Changs. This year’s is a bit late, as we had some difficulties with the producer (we wouldn’t let him put pre-0p transexual hookers on expenses) and the host (who quit because he’s best buddies with the producer) although I’m still hopeful we can get Don “Fat cunt” Murphy.

These awards, which are clearly worth more than Nicholas Cage’s wig designer makes in a year are slightly different to the best of that we do at the end of the year- in that we vote for them. I’ve collected the nominations from the various changbacks in the Rec room, so if you don’t see your chosen film on the list, well, tough. You had your chance. As is, I’ve only picked those with multiple nominations to try to make it interesting and cut down on everyone voting for their favourite option.

Eligibility? Films released between 8th October 2010 and 7th October 2011. That is all.


2010 Winner: Inception

Fuck’s sake. Transformer’s 3 has no business being anywhere near this.

Anyhow, here are the nominations:


A surprise this one. Droid raved about it, and in the end it was a clever, amusing, well conceived and realised animated western. Worth a nod, for sure.

Rise of the Planet of the Apes-

I reviewed this here, and if we did an award for trailer of the year, this one is nailed on because it took our interest from 0 to WOW! in no time at all. A real surprise and a film universally loved by us.

Battle LA.

The only film of the year to receive multiple reviews from us. Droid did his look at it here. A men on a mission film done with no little élan, this really was another surprisingly good film.

Transformers 3: The shit title of the moon.

Crap film apparently, I don’t know because I’ve never seen it. Droid eviscerated it here.  Fuck’s sake, guys.

Tree of Life

Another I’ve not seen, but it’s Malick and Jonah loved it. Critically adored, will this win out?

Kill List

I’m ecstatic to see the late nod for this film from Echo. I personally think this is the best film of the year, and said as much here. It’s got no budget, so it’s weird to see it in the company of these other films, but this is the best horror film since The Descent.


The Chris Klein award for Male Acting Achievement. 

2010 Winner: Woody Harrelson

At some point, I promise I’ll grow up and stop using this. However, much as I’d like to, the Nash (as it shall now be known) needs handing out. Last year Woody ruled with about 9 different top performances. This year, it’s much more close.

Three actors received multiple nods: Aaron Eckhart was good in Battle LA, James Franco frequently excellent, and Michael Shannon as the left field nod. It’s not been a great year for actors, really.


The Emma Stone-Zombieland Award for Female Acting

Last Year’s Winner: Emma Stone

A pretty good year for actresses, however, we were all unified in who we nominated. Me and Droid both put up one (Jacki Weaver in Animal Kingdom), and ALL of us bar Koutch gave the nod to the other (Natalie Portman in Black Swan). Which is a credit to her given the mediocre film the performance was in. Luckily, both Koutch and Echo gave Jessica Chastain a shout for her turn in Tree of Life. Finally a late flurry of calls for Saorise Ronan brings the numbers up to 4, even if we all know that Portman has it nailed down.



Last Year’s Winner: Centurion

Did your film get utterly fucked by idiotic distribution, because the world needed 900 screenings of some shit like Alice in Wonderland in 3D? Well, you’re in good company, and chances are we’ll have seen it and want to recognise it. This year has a few interesting ones with everyone nominating Attack the Block and Stake Land (reviewed by me here). As I need three, I’m going for The Innkeepers (reviewed by me here) which has seen its release in the US postponed until Christ knows when and looks unlikely to get a shot at all in the UK. Which is a pity, because it’s a good little ghost film.


The Underrated Film of the Year

The Rocket

Last Year’s Winner: The Rocket

Three films received multiple nods from us: Battle LA scores its second, due to the critical response in America (Xi posted an elegant riposte to those critics looking down at it here) and Conan The Barbarian deserves a shout for being ignored by all and sundry despite it being quite  good. Well, I think so, anyhow and my pet rock does so too. Finally, an interesting call from Droid that I totally agree with, sees Seth Rogan’s Green Hornet receive a nod. This is a film that was hurt by 3D badly, and I think is going to age really well.


The Changian Film of the Year

Last Year’s Winner: Bitch Slap

We like the following things: Boobs, stabbery, explosions, midgets, lesbians, gratuitous violence, good soundtrack, boobs, and so forth. This category is for films that appeal to our somewhat eclectic taste rather than quality.

This year’s nods are the surprisingly good Fast 5, a film that we all expected to suck donkey balls, but turned out to be the best of the series, Attack the Block (which I’ve not seen) but is right in our demographic and Conan The Barbarian, which supplies the boob and stabbery quotient.


The Don Murphy Award for Cinematic Failure

Because it's always worth getting this out again.

Last Year’s Winner: Splice

This isn’t getting a poll this year. There is one film that failed on every conceivable level and we’ve roasted across the board. All of us, bar none hated it, so it’s not even up for public vote. This is despite Koutch’s best efforts to get Black Swan in, and my personal hatred for Insidious, Red Riding Hood and My Soul to Take, all of which are awful but look like solid gold compared to the winner. I’ll announce it with the rest of the results.

Right, get voting campers. I’m not doing the site one, because it was too much of a pain in the arse. Results at some point when I can find a host that doesn’t look like the strangely wax version of Billy Crystal.

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178 responses to “The Golden Changs 2011- The Film Awards. The Nominations are:”

  1. Droid says :

    Voted. Correctly. I expect my noms to win!

  2. Jarv says :

    OK- get voting people!

    Oh, and if I’ve missed anyone’s picks. Sorry.

    Really, though, Transformers?

  3. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    Ronan was in Hanna, not True Grit.

  4. Droid says :

    Just tested it…

    Thank you, we have already counted your vote.

  5. Toadkillerdog says :

    I voted! Hurrah!

  6. Toadkillerdog says :

    Cant fookin believe Michele Rodriguez not nominated but natalie ‘geek fave’ portman is! seriously, some of youse need to stop sucking on the aicn bandwagon teat -ok that was only half in jest, ill let youse figure out which half

    • Jarv says :

      Please- my preferred choice didn’t get a shout. I’ll not be happy if Portman wins.

    • Droid says :

      Rodriguez? Seriously? C’mon. She did her tough girl act and thats about it. Has she ever been in a movie where she’s been a normal female? I’m not knocking her because what she does she does well, but she’s not an actress with much range.

  7. Just Pillow Talk says :

    sigh…since I’ve seen zero or one in pretty much each category, I have no basis to vote. Unless it’s to ensure Transformers 3 doesn’t win that is. 🙂

    I have Attack the Block at home…think I’ll watch it tonight.

  8. tombando says :

    You know the Giant Robots got my vote.

  9. Continentalop says :

    Voted. Democracy at its best.

  10. Continentalop says :

    We also should start thinking about handing out a lifetime achievement award. Maybe not this time but next time.

    The Walter Chang Lifetime Achievement in Nudity, Stabbery or Midgetry has a nice ring in my opinion.

  11. Continentalop says :

    That should be the Walter Chang Lifetime Achievement Award in Nudity, Stabbery or Midgetry

  12. Col. Tigh-Fighter says :

    Glad you gave me the chance to vote for Stakeland. That one just came out of leftfield and blew me away.

    There should have been a Surprisingly Not As Crap As We All Feared award, which should go to Thor. For a film that could have been even too camp for me, was a very watchable and well acted popcorn flick.

    With Thor, Capt America, and X-Men, my ADHD fix has been well and truly stated this year.

    Quite what right Rise, and now Tintin had to be actual very good films is beyond me! It just goes to show that some film makers have realised you can actually make a big, effects popcorn tentpole, and make it bloody good!

    Now what the fuck is Tranny 3 doing on the god damn list again?

    • Col. Tigh-Fighter says :

      2012 is looking good too.

      I am very excited for The Avengers, a property I didnt know anything about, and frankly would have been terrified of by the excessive geekery of it a year ago. Now after Thor, Capt A, Joss Whedon (yeah I’m a fan), and that excellent trailer, its top of my list.

      Well after The Hobbit, of course! Quints set reports and those videos from PJ are making me as excited as I was over 10 years ago.

      TDKR I’m sort of interested in. I like, a lot the new Batmans. But I don’t think they’re the second coming. They can be quite flawed storywise. But Nolan might be the second coming after Inception, so fingers crossed for that.

      Quite interested in new Superman, and vaguely interested in Spiderman. And mainly for Andrew Garfield, who’s a pretty good actor. Dont know our Henry, as never watched The Tudors (what with liking my History to be accurate, and all that).

      • Droid says :

        Supes is 2013. Bats I will get more interested in when I see some footage. Spidey? Meh. Avengers? Meh.

        The movies I’m interested in so far are:
        John Carter
        Bullet to the Head (Sly and Walter Hill)
        Lockout (Guy Pearce plays a government agent convicted of a crime which he did not commit. He is offered his freedom if he can rescue the President’s daughter from a prison in space which has been overtaken by its prisoners.)
        Total Recall (Just curious to see what its like. Probably shit.)
        Dredd (ditto)
        Looper (although Rian Johnson is yet to make a good film, he has had moments and I believe he has it in him)
        The Gangster Squad
        47 Ronin
        Les Misérables
        World War Z
        Django Unchained
        The Great Gatsby

        I’m not necessarily looking forward to seeing these, but I’m interested in seeing what they’re like.

      • Droid says :

        Lockout pretty much sounds like the third Snake Plissken movie, Escape from Earth.

      • Jarv says :

        John Carter? Wasn’t fatass trying to get that made for ages.

        Fuck Supes. “Visionary” japseye Snyder presents Superman’s Origin Story. Awful.

        WWZ pisses me off.

      • koutchboom says :

        No he was trying to get John Carter Of Mars made. This John Carter is bio flick about the first ever intergalactic cowboy.

      • Jarv says :

        Right. Might be better then

      • koutchboom says :

        Yes fuck just the first two months alone are going to kick ass I think someone already posted this list:

        Man on Ledge
        Rkyvik-Rotterdam remake Contraband
        Iron Lady
        Red Tails
        The Grey

        and maybe
        The Devil Inside

        Then Feb
        Safe House
        Journey 2
        Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
        Star Wars 1 3D
        and for Jarv: This Means War (just because I know that movie is a dream of his).

        FUCK Premium Rush got pushed back to Aug? It was coming out in Jan, at one point Contraband/Man On Ledge/Premium Rush/Cornholieo were all coming out on the same weekend.

        Those are all guy movies.

      • Col. Tigh-Fighter says :

        Thanks for reminding me, Droid. WWZ and Prometheus are both must see for me too.

        And I am also really interested in the Les Mis film. I’m a hug fan of the show, and coincidently saw it last weekend (my friend was visiting and had never seen it). Great cast shaping up. Looper and Total Recall also have me interested.

        The rest will have to have least try and earn my attention.

  13. Xiphos0311 says :

    is there some special way to vote that i don’t see? Mark me down for Battle LA.

  14. Jarv says :


    So far with a few votes cast, I’m genuinely surprised at the results. Stunned, actually.

    The categories I thought were locked down have gone totally against prediction- with in one case a rank outsider being streets ahead.

  15. ThereWolf says :

    I’ve only seen Battle LA.

    It’s a bit pointless me voting.

    But I’m voting Battle LA anyway because it’s fucking superb.

  16. Jarv says :


    The nominations were:

    A Prophet
    Bitch Slap
    Where the Wild Things Are
    How to Train Your Dragon

    I voted for A Prophet, but Inception took it by a mile.

    • Droid says :

      I voted for Inception! Huzzah!

      • Jarv says :

        No you didn’t. I reread the comments and you voted for A Prophet.

      • Droid says :

        Really? I find that hard to believe. I chose Inception as number one of the year over A Prophet because it has rewatchability. Otherwise I liked them equally. hmmm…

      • Droid says :

        Maybe I hadn’t made my mind up yet. It was 2 months later that I made the top 10.

      • Droid says :

        Anyhoo, I’ll be disappointed if Battle LA is voted Best Film, because it’s really not and getting votes because its the only film people have seen is a bit rubbish. But ultimately I’ll get over it. However, I will not get over Transformers 3 being voted best film. I can barely get over it being nominated. It’s absolutely garbage. Some people need their wiring checked.

      • Jarv says :

        Battle LA is one of the two currently tied.

        TF3 managed to pick up 3 votes (THREE!) but won’t win either.

      • Jarv says :

        Man I’m bored today.

        Fuck work.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m surprised A Prophet didn’t win. Thought that would be a shoo-in. Although Inception is clearly a worthy winner, I voted for A Prophet.


        I was surprised actually. I voted for A Prophet.

      • Droid says :

        Must have been one of my “better” days. Some clarity in the midst of my alzheimers.

      • Jarv says :

        I’d blame the drugs for that.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Good gravy! Inception beat out A prophet? hell and no!
        Inception was sleep inducing and i truly mean that. It was not a bad movie, just had to many boring stretches – talk about a nut stroke. Inception is the movie people wanted to love and point to and say ‘”see i like ‘sophisticated’ movies as well” when in fact inception should have been called ‘deception’ it was a bait and switch and regurgitation of old idea not made better by the fancy package. The OHMSS sequence was wretched. Theonly exciting part of entire flick was Gordon Levitts hallway twister fight routine -which was genuinely terrific and inspiring. Nolan usually pulls one such scene in every one of his flicks, but it aint enough to over come the uninspired rest of movie.
        I did not hate inception, it is a fine popcorn movie, but it has zero rewatchablity for me because it truly bored me. I was not alone thinking that either, of the six people I know who saw it, only one really liked it.

        A prophet was magnificent in comparison. Better writing, directing, story, acting. It was superb.

        Battle LA is certainly not the greatest movie, but of the nominees on this years list it is the best in my opinion. I would have voted for Captain America but it did not make the cut.

      • koutchboom says :

        Having rewatched A Prophet….there isn’t much rewatchability there either. Been meaning to rewatch Inception, I was sort of ho hum about it right afterward, but it grew on me.

      • Droid says :

        I’ve seen Inception twice and it does have rewatchablitly. It’s a very strong popcorn flick. A Prophet will not have the rewatchabilty for me. It will be a film I will watch again in 10 years, not one.

      • Jarv says :

        I agree with TKD.

        My problem with Inception is that it is genuinely exciting in the heist and then it comes crashing to a grinding halt while he has marital counselling. I’d give it 2, not bad, not great. I could be talked into 2.5 though.

        Democracy sucks.

      • Droid says :

        Democracy only sucks when it doesn’t go your way.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        how do you know until you have rewatched it? I’ve seen it a few times, and there definitely is rewatchability. It isn’t the sort of thing you just gravitate towards though. Inception seems like it would make its way into the player more, for me personally, but in the passage of time, I think Un Prophete is the stronger movie.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t know. But to be quite honest, rewatching it so close to having seen it is very likely going to diminish it’s value for me. This is out of experience with this genre. It may be a film I come back to every three or four years. Like Donnie Brasco. And each time I see it, my opinion of it is refreshed. I will not know my reaction, but I do know that I will require a good few years between viewing.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        I do not think rewatchabilty should be the sole criterion.
        Example, while I think The Dark Knight has massive flaws, it still passes the rewatchabilty test, but if it was nomnated with A Prohet, I would choose A Prophet because even if i would not rewatch A Prophet as often, it is the superior flick.

        Rewatchability for me would have more to do with the action sequences.
        Now, I throw that out the window when it comes to my all time favorite movie – Godfather no not GFII (although it has flip flopped at times) as long as that movie is, i can rewatch it

      • Droid says :

        It wasn’t the sole criterion. Proven by the fact that I apparently voted for A Prophet in the Golden Changs, but two months later chose Inception as my best film of the year in my 2010 roundup. I had them level pegging, and in October I leant towards A Prophet. But by January I had seen Inception a second time, and enjoyed it as much as the first. So I went for Inception. It is, quite frankly, a more rewatchable film. And that was what ended up being the difference between the two.

      • Jarv says :

        I sometimes use rewatchability as criteria to deny a maximum- and I usually regret it.

      • Droid says :

        The thing is, if it’s rewatchable, I’ll do a Lucas and bump up my rating/opinion of a film. Salt = rewatchable. Solomon Kane, which I initially gave 3 changs, is very close to being bumped up to 3.5. Because I’ve seen it twice since then and damn is it a bloody enjoyable movie. I haven’t seen Centurion again since the cinema. I wonder how that is on the second watch.

      • Jarv says :


        Really good, you find things to enjoy more in it second time. That’s incidentally why I ended up bumping Dog Soldiers up to 3.5.

        Talking about which, some joker has just voted TF3 into first bloody place.

      • Droid says :

        Fuck sake. A conspiracy I think.

      • Jarv says :

        If I had fucking known, I’d have not voted for Kill List and voted for one of the other two contenders.

      • koutchboom says :

        Good good, finally getting this site some class and respectability.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        R2, perhaps you should have watched them back to back.
        If I ever watch inception again, i will just fast forward through the boring parts. I would never say that for A prophet though

      • Droid says :

        Yes, TKD. But that’s you. And for you that’s right. It’s not for me though. If I watched them back to back it would probably be a very satisfying (and late) evening of viewing. Both are excellent films.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah with A Profit there is only one outcome and it’s all a big build up to that, it looses a lot of impact rewatching it. I can’t say I was really bored when I saw it again, but I wasn’t edge of my seat like I was in theaters. And it’s a pretty straight forward film, if anything rewatching it again made me question some shit I liked about it the first time. Where as Inception had more scenery to view and enjoy, unless prison showers are your thing? Also Inception’s story isn’t so cut and dry like A Profits, there is a margin of shit you can go back and look for or catch that you didn’t see the first time.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Very true R2, it is all just an opinion

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Well kman, you could say that about every thriller/mystery/horror flick that you have ever seen. Once you know the ending why watch it again?
        Guess you only watched Exorcist and psycho once

        Yes there is the eye candy aspect, which is why i said i would rewatch Dark Knight more than i would rewatch A Prophet, does not mean I think Dark Knight is the better flick, but it does have better visuals.

      • Droid says :

        TDK is clearly not as good as A Prophet. When I first saw it I would rate it 3.5. Now, after seeing it a few times, I’d rate it 2.5. And 2 of those are for Ledger. He’s the only thing keeping that film together.

      • Jarv says :

        I’d have it at 3. Still the best Funnybook movie out there aside from Blade that I’ve seen.

        This is more a comment on the state of Funnybook movies.

      • Droid says :

        No way. Superman: The Movie and Superman 2 are both far superior. Batman Begins is superior. Hell, both Burton Batmans are superior. Blade is as well.

      • Jarv says :

        Not a big fan of the Superman Movies, to be honest. Not to mention that I kind of blame them for Singer’s version.

        Definitely prefer it to Begins.

      • Droid says :

        You can’t blame them for Singers version. C’mon. That’s completely irrational. That’s like saying that no one should bother making a film involving ballet because Red Shoes exists.

      • Jarv says :

        I know it’s totally unfair and irrational.

        I think I’ll just go back to blaming Singer.

      • Jarv says :

        Not to mention that it looks like Visionary Twat Snyder is going to do the Origin AGAIN!

        Fuck’s sake. Anything other than the fucking Origin, Lex Luthor and shitty real estate scams. Please.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t think it has Lex in it does it?

      • Jarv says :

        Fuck knows. I just saw Ma and Pa fucking kent cast again and some bollocks about origin story so lost interest.

      • Droid says :

        When I think about TDK, 9 out of 10 things I think are good about it involves Ledger. The only two non-Ledger things I can think of are the Hong Kong scene and the cracking sound as he drops Roberts off the ledge.

      • Jarv says :

        Yes, but that’s my point- they ARE all there in the film- so it’s unfair to discount them.

      • Droid says :

        Yes. Two things involving Batman out of a 2 1’/2 hour film about Batman. So I give Batman 2 half a chang and The Joker gets two changs. Together it is a 2.5 chang film.

      • koutchboom says :

        My favorite part about TDK was Oldman. It’s easy to do over the top shit like Bale and Heathbar do in that film, and Oldman should know he’s the king of it and for him to deliver that nice straight man in all this chaos role was really good to see and he did it very well. He is the only character I give a shit about in the whole series.

      • koutchboom says :

        And speaking of Tiny Lister, Tucker flew him out to his house recently to talk about getting the gang back together to make Friday 4, and possibly Fifth Element 2. NOW Tucker putting together Friday 4 I can understand….him taking on Fifth Element 2 makes 0 sense.

      • Droid says :

        Chris Tucker wasn’t in Friday 2 or 3 was he?

      • koutchboom says :

        Yes because of religious reasons. .

      • koutchboom says :

        Hehehe you really like ballet don’t you Droid? Is that some failed life goal of yours? To be a professional ballet dancer?

      • Droid says :

        It hurts too much to talk about.

      • Droid says :

        It’s because they don’t all hinge on one performance. Seriously, without Ledger TDK would not be anywhere near as adored as it is.

      • Jarv says :

        There’s some truth to this. But there’s nothing in TDK as, well, naff as rewinding the globe. Let alone that cellophane looking S thing in the climax of 2.

        They’re OK films, and I’d probably put them at 2.5 each. Just not my cup of tea.

      • Droid says :

        But you’ve also got to consider that Superman was made in the 70’s and it was pioneering the big screen superhero film. It was based on a comic book, so it was comic booky. It’s not post-9/11 (hehe) angst and depression. Also, there’s nothing in Supes as naff as Tiny Lister making the moral choice for the good of the innocents.

      • Jarv says :

        Yes there is. Hackman’s bumbling sidekick- not to mention that Tiny Lister rules and rewinding the Earth to save Lois before crushing a lump of coal into a diamond for her is lame.

        Anyway, I’m not sure this criticism is valid. You can say that TDK wouldn’t be half the film without Ledger, and this is true, but at the end of the day it does have Ledger and that performance.

      • Droid says :

        It is a valid criticism. The film does not hold up under scrutiny. Ledgers performance masks the plot problems and the fact that neither Bruce Wayne, nor Batman, have a personality. He either mopes about feeling sorry for himself. Or he growls his dialogue at people.

      • Jarv says :

        I know what you mean, but the implication is that it’s a bad film made good by that performance, and I’d say it doesn’t matter because as the film does contain that turn, it’s a good film.

        Anyway, what funnybook movie does hold up under scrutiny?

        Tell you one thing Superman has over TDK- Williams’ theme.

      • Droid says :

        So you think Black Swan is a good film because it features a great performance and a great finale? It’s exactly the same thing.

      • Jarv says :

        No. I think Black Swan is a bad and boring film redeemed from terminal suckitude by a great performance and a good finale.

        And Lesbians.

        I’d rate it as 1.5, and I’m not saying that if you take those features out of it then it’s fucking terrible full stop and doesn’t hold together etc.

        TDK isn’t ever boring. Well, I didn’t think so anyway.

      • Droid says :

        TDK is a bad film. It is. It’s got horrendous plot holes. It’s main character doesn’t have a personality. It features a terrible romantic subplot. And the performances of a number of people are crap. Bale and Gyllenhaal in particular.

        Ledger is so goddamn electric in it, that he elevates every single scene he is in. He makes the scenes work. That scene where he comes in and tells the mob bosses that he wants half their money? That’s ALL Ledger. Watch the film and try to pick out any great work by Bale. It’s shit. The Joker is a good film. TDK is not.

      • Jarv says :

        OK, by that rationale, then you rate TDK as 1.5?

        Although, I personally think it’s a vastly better film than The Black Swan, simply for not being boring. I also think comparatively, Ledger was better than Portman. Certainly more watchable.

      • Droid says :

        No? Where do you get that from? Because you rated Black Swan 1.5? I’ve already stated that I’d rate TDK at 2.5. 2 for Ledger, .5 for the rest.

      • Jarv says :

        Really, this is a fallacious comparison. They’re two totally different genres with totally different beats.

        The Black Swan was always going to struggle with me because I don’t give a fuck about Ballet, but after the millionth shot of feet (Koutch is right about this one, although I don’t know what the hell he was talking about with the back of head thing) even though they had to be in it, I was losing the will to live. Portman doesn’t engage me on the screen, unless it’s to annoy me, so while I think it was a really good performance I mean in an academic way. She just has no charisma at all.

        TDK, on the other hand, has punching and is a fucking Batman film. Plus Ledger oozed menace and charisma in the part. So it starts with an advantage with me.

      • koutchboom says :

        No I get that, and I was surprised that I wasn’t out right bored with A Profit so close between viewings, but I was more surprised that I was questioning why I liked it so much more so then just sort of watching it. Like I rewatched The Way Back again recently and while yes that movie isn’t something you should watch more than probably once a life time it didn’t make me question why I liked it so much, even if it didn’t hit me as hard as it did initially.

        And yeah I’ve yet to watch Inception again, but I was in the minority that didn’t find it boring or too long, but I felt that was about The Dark Knight, but I liked The Dark Knight more on second viewing. i didn’t like Batman Begins as much upon second viewing and there was a good 2-3 year in between viewings. With The Prestige but I really dug that a lot upon second viewing and there were a couple of years in between viewings and I still think that may be Nolan’s favorite of mine. Nolan is an odd bird, like that.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Ah, TDK vs Superman The movie debate round 99,327.
        TDK is very over rated, and does have massive story and plot holes. Undoubtedly the box office was propelled by the tragedy of Ledgers just months before opening. Still for all of its flwas that R2 has mentioned and other he has not, Jarv is right when he says it does have that Ledger performance which is outstanding. People may have gone to see it out of morbid curiosity but they returned because of the performance.

        Supes was a disappointment to me as a child and as an adult. I got what Donner tried to do – go for the epic storytelling, but he did not pull it off and the movie just dragged and dragged and dragged. 45 minutes before we even see the suit. Over an hour before he does his first save – which was great, but come on.

        Donner knew diddly about pacing for an action adventure flick, and he knew that himself, so he tried to make it an epic – and he had neither the story nor the directorial chops to pull that off.

        Supes will always have a place in my top ten comic book movies – at number 10, solely for nostalgia and the tremendous job Reeve did, but it is willdly over rated – for perhaps the same reason TDK is – sympathy for the tragedy that struck the outstanding talent.

      • Jarv says :

        And the theme. To be fair.

      • koutchboom says :

        Band of Outsiders felt like a lesson in tedium. I did however enjoy The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Yeah, that theme is awesome! In Supes II during opening credits they show scenes from him saving people and when he goes to save the train the music just swells – I swear i must have stopped and rewound that oe time moment hundreds of times just to hear that part!

        Theme music has never been better than in Superman movies

  17. Toadkillerdog says :

    Kman, explain how you did that! I mean how is it that your post is two minutes after mine but it is in a position above it! I hate having to scroll all the back up to the post to hit the reply button, have you found a sneaky way around that?

    • koutchboom says :

      ohh sorry. I post on the comments page, not on the actual page. I do sort of wish this was just one long never ending post like thing like AICN, which is what it’s like on the comments page.

  18. Toadkillerdog says :

    Comments page? Where the heckis that?

  19. Toadkillerdog says :


  20. Continentalop says :

    RE: rewatchability.

    I can rewatch Police Academy more than I can Lawrence of Arabia, doesn’t make it a better film.

  21. Just Pillow Talk says :

    I love Inception and A Prophet. I have watched Inception multiple times, A Prophet just the once. A Prophet is probably the better movie, but guess what? I will watch Inception a few more times before I ever watch A Prophet again because I enjoy Inception immensely. I thought A Prophet was great, but it’s not a movie that I think of wanting to watch again…just one of those things. I think it’s the nature/genre of the films being talked about. An action movie is just so damn easy to watch over and over again.

    I do not like the Superman movies…any of them…and I never understood the fascination with them, much like Toad found Inception boring, I find the Superman movies extremely boring. There is nothing super about them, and for the most part, the villains suck ass.

    I don’t care if you say Ledger is the whole movie or not, I quite like The Dark Knight…and Begins for that matter.

    Black Swan, while overrated, was eons better than say some of the other films nominated (looking at you King’s Speech, boring cunt of a film).

    • Continentalop says :

      Man, I must be the only person here who likes Superman: the Movie here. I still say it is the best superhero movie ever made.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Don’t feel bad Conti, I am the only one here who likes Iron Man2

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Everything is better with hulk dogs – or is that everything is better with jack daniels and then everything looks better including hulkdogs?

      • Jarv says :

        Nothing is better with Hulk Dogs.

      • Just Pillow Talk says :

        Toad, I have to watch that again, well, I will be watching it again at some point for my series. I didn’t hate it like most everyone else here, but I was not that impressed with it. This coming from someone who loves the first one, and I don’t care if it’s based soley on RDJ’s performance….performances make/carry movies.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Totally agree piddoes, i loved RDJ’s performance as Stark in both flicks and it carried over an admittedly weaker scripted sequel – although the sequel had a much better ending than the original

      • Jarv says :

        This is a good case in point actually. Downey was fucking brilliant as Stark. Having recently rewatched it, he really does carry an otherwise mediocre film. How Droid feels about TDK, is exactly how I feel about Iron Man.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Jarv, if Selleck (whom i actually like) had been able to play Indiana Jones , would we still think raiders was a s great as it was?

        We will never know, but I tend to think not. The performance makes the movie – with very rare exceptions.

        So the RDK Iron Man and Leger Batman and Ford Raiders all have that in common. Raiders was by a country mile the better scripted and directed of the three, and it would have held its own as a fine movie with selleck, but would it have been iconic?

        Iron Man – like it or not, is now an iconic role for RDJ. And the movie, while not iconic —yet, holds up very well with the exception of the retarded last fight.

      • koutchboom says :

        I wonder if IM is seen so well, because it’s sort of a reversal of what we’ve seen, the good guy chewing the scenery and enjoying the movie, where the villain is just sort of there, where as most comic book movies it’s the villain who gets to chew the scenery and over act. AND it’s odd because Bridges…is sort of known for over acting and chewing scenery? I wonder if IM wouldn’t have been as loved if both actors eat the movie up?

        I will say after seeing Immortals….yeah John Fatrow just doesn’t know how to direct people, Rourke was awesome in that.

      • Jarv says :

        Oh, I know. I’m just pointing out that the merits of Iron Man (which I did quite enjoy this time) are entirely down to Downey.

      • Continentalop says :

        Hey I like Hulk Dogs. Especially with mustard and chili. Delicious.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        nice. Conti, I cant open that link (at work) to the film your friend did. What’s it called? How do I go about procuring a copy for review? I’ll watch it, sure. Will give it a fair shake, as best I can.

      • Continentalop says :

        A Thousand Cuts. I will ask them when they are sending screeners out to critics and such.

    • tombando says :

      I think of Tom Selleck being one of those guys who was simply born too late. I think if he’d come around in the 30’s-50’s, certainly he would have been a big movie star. Westerns/GI flicks/ Cop movies, he would no doubt have benefited from the studio system and then some. At the least he could have been, say, Robert Stack or Joel McRae. Maybe it’s just me.

      Sagging PI in Raiders? I think it’d have been good, but played closer to Brenden Fraser in the Mummy. Not iconic but fun and worthwhile..Again what do I know>?

      • koutchboom says :

        Blue Bloods. Excellent show. Makes you believe in America.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Bando, i totally agree with that. I really like Selleck, and I loved Magnum.
        To this day magnum has one of the greatest and unexpected ending episodes that has ever aired on American Tv. A long running story arc about an evil sob named Ivan “Did you see the sunrise” Ivan thought he would get away with murder – multiple murders. Magmum gets the drop one him. Ivan drops his gun raises his hands and the ‘weakling’ american would be the ‘bigger’ man. Ivan had killed magnums friends, and magnum was in an unforgiving mood, and he fucking blows him away in cold blood. I jumped up out of my chair watching that!

        Selleck would have made an awesome Tony Stark – 30 years ago.

      • koutchboom says :

        Selleck has been killing it these past few years with the Jesse Stone movies and Blue Bloods. Probably the best shit he’s ever done. Save for maybe Three Men and Quigly.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        Selleck is still cool as hell. I am watching Viet Nam, great show. Wish Dad was still around to talk about this.

      • koutchboom says :

        Watch Blue Bloods man, it’s a solid show. I feel like I’m the only guy under 70 who watches it.

      • Toadkillerdog says :

        I might do that. I liked his stint on Friends too. Selleck did try his hand at an Indy type flick, High road to China, it was a bit underwhelming.

      • koutchboom says :

        And that Jesse Stone series he does, he does a made for TV movie once a year for like 8 years now is really good stuff as well.

  22. Just Pillow Talk says :

    Hmm…my comment is awaiting moderation…why the fuck did my gravatar not show up?

  23. Just Pillow Talk says :

    Damn…now it’s evaporated into the internet netherworld….

  24. Jarv says :

    This is an emergency call to anyone that hasn’t voted and happens to read this.

    Please, put all votes on either Rise of the Planet of the Apes or Battle LA.



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