To prove it can be done Jarv lists 10 actually good remakes.

Remakes, eh? The lazy hack’s adaptation format of choice. Seriously, why bother going to all the trouble of coming up with a new idea, and then writing it, filming it and then marketing it to people who have never heard of it when you can pick a classic/ popular title off the shelf and routinely sodomise it on-screen for the vicarious pleasure of the cretinous plankton who intermittently tear their eyes off their vital text message to cast their listless gaze on a film that once fired the imagination being used and soiled like a Thai hooker with self-esteem issues. Particularly guilty are all those hideous Carpenter remakes, which, let’s face it, only exist to keep the man knee-deep in mediocre weed and shitty KFC. Nevertheless, it isn’t impossible to craft an actually good remake (and The Departed is not a good remake). To prove it- here are 10 in no particular order that are all quality, and some of which surpass the original.

10. 12 Monkeys (1995) based on La Jetée (1962)

This is the film that everyone quotes when they say that Brad Pitt can act. Well, he’s actually the worst thing about it. Terry Gilliam claims the sequence of static shots that is La Jetée was only an inspiration, but 12 Monkeys is so similar to it (albeit moving), that I’d be astonished if this were true. What it does do, brilliantly, is take the idea of La Jetée, and fill out the background by expanding on the central premise of a slave sent back in time in a post-apocalyptic world. It’s also a good film and a fun thriller.

I’m including this as a remake, because it is so, so similar, but at the very least La Jetée serves as the bedrock the rest of 12 Monkeys is built on.

9. No Way Out (1987) based on The Big Clock (1948)

Forget Boring with Indians, this is Kevin Costner’s finest hour. A complicated twist-upon-twist type thriller involving an attempted cover up and the identity of a Russian Spy in the White House. Featuring strong performances from Gene Hackman, Costner himself, Sean Young and Will Patton, Roger Donaldson’s Cold War Thriller is a cracking ride, with a genuinely surprising denouement. I haven’t actually seen the original, but this is a film I thought about doing for the Underrated series, and can happily sit at the tail of this list with no shame whatsoever.

8. The Manchurian Candidate (2004) based on The Manchurian Candidate (1962)

I won’t waffle on too much about this one, as Droid already reviewed it surprisingly coherently for a malfunctioning robot built by a horrible emo douchebag on a desert planet. Nevertheless, Jonathan Demme’s version of The Manchurian Candidate is a spectacularly well put together piece of paranoid tension in it. Liev Schrieber puts in the best work of an otherwise ho-hum career and both Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep are simply outstanding. Anyway, to read his full review of it, click here.

7. The Magnificent Seven (1960) based on The Seven Samurai (1954)

Come on now, who doesn’t love this? Own up…

This is one of the most famous “good” remakes out there. It certainly helps that Kurosawa (as far as I understand it) was trying to make a Japanese western with the original, and therefore it was a pretty obvious move to transplant it to America for us ignorant Western types that think a Samurai is a small hatchback that does great miles to the gallon. Nevertheless, with a cast simply to die for (including Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, James Coburn, Robert Vaughn, Brad Dexter, Eli Wallach and Horst Buchholz).  The Magnificent Seven spawned a shed-load of sequels of dubious quality and became a mainstay of British Christmas TV. For good reason: it’s great fun.

Obviously it isn’t as good as Kurosawa’s, but as a film in its own right? Excellent.

6. Down and Out in Beverley Hills (1986) based on Boudu sauvé des eaux (1932)

I didn’t actually know this was a remake until I started on my *cough* research for this piece, as I’ve never even heard of that complicated foreign, possibly French, title above. Still, and not to be disparaging in the slightest, it’s a very funny film in its own right. Richard Dreyfuss is hilarious as the uptight clothes hanger magnate and Nick Nolte is simply superb as the bum that upends his life by shagging Dreyfuss’ wife and mistress, stealing the dogs affection and other suchlikes. Notable for being the first ever Disney R rated film (technically Touchstone) and also containing the first sex-scene in a Disney release (I’m not convinced about this, but if Wikipedia says so…), Down and Out is well worth a couple of hours for a good chuckle.

5. Scarface (1983) based on Scarface (1932)

Oliver Stone and Brian DePalma’s reimagining of the seminal story of Al Capone has several things going for it. It cleverly moves the story to Miami, has a cast including Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer and is a fucking good thriller in its own right. However, it’s also eminently quotable (“Say Goodbye to the Bad Guy”) and is a gleefully trashy look at the rise and fall of a Cuban drug lord. This is a film I return to more often than I care to think about it and is one that’s always considered when these lists are put together.

Altogether now: “And fuck the fucking Diaz Brothers”.

4. Fistful of Dollars (1964) based on Yojimbo (1961)

Another ludicrously famous pick, this one. The first of Leone’s epic trilogy is interesting in that it is ostensibly a remake of Yojimbo, Kurosawa’s storming Samurai Tale. Except that Yojimbo is actually an adaptation of Dashiell Hammet’s piece of sterling noir Red Harvest. Nevertheless, Clint Eastwood is on stomping form as the Man with no Name and watching him tame the warring factions is simply hugely entertaining. There’s a lesson to be learnt from this film: don’t fuck with the man’s mule.

Still, though, as Spaghetti Western’s go, A Fistful of dollars is one of the finest out there.

3. The Fly (1986) based on The Fly (1958)

It’s debatable which is Cronenberg’s greatest film. I personally lean towards the magnificent Dead Ringers, but a very strong case can be made for his 1986 remake. I reviewed this already here, so I’ve got fuck all worthwhile to add, but it’s one of the very few films that I’ve dished out a full 4-Chang rating. Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davies are superb in this depiction of a man turning into a monster, and there’s enough gore to keep even the most apathetic viewer interested.

This is an awe-inspiring remake, that stands confidently as a film in its own right and I honestly cannot recommend this enough.

2. True Lies(1994) based on La Totalé (1991)

Another one that I didn’t know was a remake when I saw it. However, only the French would take the premise of a guy working undercover for an anti-terrorist organisation and make a film with absolutely no action in it whatsoever.

Thankfully, James Cameron has no such qualms, and when you cast Arnold in the role, let’s face it, you’re not looking to make a film about the sensitive portrayal of the difficulties maintaining a dual identity in the face of a fragmenting home life.

True Lies is one of the last, if not THE LAST, “great” Arnie films, and I’m sure Droid will pen a glowing review of it when he gets there. Which will probably be some time in 2017.

1. The Thing (1982) based on The Thing from Another World (1951)

This is arguably the greatest film of Carpenter’s hot streak. Kurt Russell has never been better as R.J. Macready, and The Thing features some truly first-rate monster work. The Thing is a superbly paranoid alien invasion film full of likable and sympathetic characters, paranoia and bucket loads of tension. Furthermore, the ending is absolutely wonderful- leaving the question open to the viewer.

This is a really great film, one of my favourites actually, and I could waffle on about it indefinitely. But that would be boring, so I’ll stop here.

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This list is not exhaustive, and not even in order. There were several other candidates that narrowly missed out including Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, Bodysnatchers itself and other sterling candidates, but at the end of the day, the shitty remakes outnumber the good ones by a factor of at least 3 to 1.

Until next time (which will be the 10 most hateful Remakes)

Jarv

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Workshy cynic, given to posting reams of nonsense on the internet and watching films that have inexplicably got a piss poor reputation.

92 responses to “To prove it can be done Jarv lists 10 actually good remakes.”

  1. koutchboom says :

    Hehehe I know one man who will say that The Thing aint shit compared to The Thing from Another World.

    Also no Francis Veber remakes? Come on there has to be one that is better than the original.

    • Jarv says :

      Thought about it. But then I just thought “this is fucking hard enough without messing around”. And no, The Thing is waaaaay better.

      • koutchboom says :

        Hehehehe this guy hasn’t enjoyed a movie since 1960 probably. Wait no he liked No Country For Old Man, and maybe The Mask.

      • Jarv says :

        The Mask?

        The Jim Carrey horribleness.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah that movie, movies a blast just silly fun. What surprising is that the special effects have held up so well, what hasn’t held up as well is how sort of flat the movie feels as a hole. Like its not as zany as it thinks it is. But it was still a lot of fun, sort of wish comedies these days at least tried hard like Jim Carry did back then. Hate it or Love it, it at least attempted something, creating a character and going all the way with it…..I guess The Love Guru killed that idea for anyone else for a while.

        Hrmmm well now you got Borat, but then Burno killed that. Besides those three what other comedy character has their been? I mean most days its just guys being goofy. I guess there was Zohan. Hrmmm is character comedy dead? Or can I just not think of any?

      • Jarv says :

        Ali G was first, then Borat, then Bruno. All the same one-joke characters.

        Stiller has done it a few times in things like Zoolander and Tropic Thunder.

        Comedy is so shit nowadays.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah Ali G doesn’t count though because no one knows that fucking movie show compared to Borat. Yeah I guess Stiller did it with Zoolander and Tropic Thunder.

        I sort of disagree about comedy being shit these days. Its probably about the same its always been. I mean theres a reason why its hard to think of the greatest comedy movies of all time compared to anything else, because they are always few and far between with TONS AND TONS of crap in the interim. Maybe older people don’t love the best comedy coming out these days, but I’d say the hold up just as well as any old comedy.

        Really its the rom com thats in the worst state right now compared to comedy. Comedy’s fine, its always sucked on a whole, people just tend to forget the 100s of shitty comedies they saw in the 80s and remember the 5 great ones. Just like they’ll do a couple years from now about the oughts.

      • Jarv says :

        Stiller does it a lot, actually, to be fair to him. Almost every film he does has a different central character in it. He’s not just lazily recycling the same persona in each film.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ehhhh yeah Stiller is lazy as shit you are just thinking of the movies he directs. But Meet the Parents/Envy/Night At the 1-2/Duplex/Greenberg/Madagascar’s are all the same guy.

        If anything Will Farrel does it better than stiller, but still his characters are all slightly like each other. I mean yeah the best comediean characters are all slight variations of the same character.

      • Jarv says :

        I was thinking of the films he directs, true.

        Ferrel does not do it. They’re all basically the same person.

      • Jarv says :

        I don’t necessarily agree. Rom Coms are in a particularly bad way, but honestly, Comedy in general is just fucking garbage at the moment. Utterly hateful shite with Eddie Murphy in a fatsuit, lame “parodies” from those dickheads and so forth.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah but there have always been shitty parody movies, I guess the fat suit stuff is sort of a newer trend. But we can just call that guys dressed as girls comedies and those have always been around and have mostly sucked. Seriously comedy is really no better or worse right now then its always been. You act like there once was a time WHERE EVERY comedy movie coming out was balls out funny. How many revenge of the nerd type films where there in the 80s? How many fucking sking comedies? Tons, you just forget all the bad comedies you saw and remember the ones you liked.

      • Jarv says :

        The point, though, Koutch is that there is far less in the way of Comedy that I like. In the 80’s you can probably go through every year (and in the 90’s as well to some extent) and at least find one comedy that you love. Since 2000, they’ve just been not as good and it seems to be longer between ones I like.

      • koutchboom says :

        I just think thats showing your age. I’m pretty sure the older you get the less shit you find funny in movies. SInce movies are generally aimed at younger people. You act like comedy is just gone down the shitter. Its fine, I can find a comedy every year that I’ve enjoyed just as much as something in the past. I mean just look at Jackass, you fucking hate that…thats a huge thing I think its funny as shit and so do most people. Sure its dumb as hell but come on the ball hits groin, it works on so many levels.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m just tired of it. Originally it was funny, now not so much.

      • koutchboom says :

        Foot Ball To Groin never gets old Jarv…never.

      • Jarv says :

        Yes, but staple-gun to the face does.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Oh, I don’t think you should slight The Thing from Another World. It’s good fun, and one of the better 50’s sci-fi B type movies.

      • Jarv says :

        It is good fun, and indeed a good b-movie, but Carpenter’s is a stone-cold classic.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Not disagreeing with you on that account, but I think the original is a solid movie. And for its time, his head above similar themed sci-fi/monster flicks.

      • Jarv says :

        Indeed. Like the original Blob. Only a few of these I think are better than the original- 12 Monkeys, True Lies, The Fly, The Thing. As much as I like the Magnificent 7 it isn’t as good as Samurai, and it’s tough to say between Fistful and Yojimbo. Scarface isn’t as good as the original and so forth.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Yeah, The Blob is another good one.

        See, with The Magnificent Seven, I think the action is superior to Samurai, but not the character development.

        Samurai is chock full of smaller character moments that make you care what happens to them much more, I think, than Magnificent Seven.

        However, that being said, Magnificent Seven is still a tremendous movie.

      • Jarv says :

        7 is fantastic fun. I still love little moments in it like where he shoots the horse from miles away and when congratulated by the kid says that he’s gutted because he was aiming at the rider.

        Epic.

  2. koutchboom says :

    After the 10 worst you should do a list of the 10 most worthless/pointless remakes..in that the two films are pretty much interchangable. I’m looking at you True Grit’s and Leting’s In’s.

    Hehehe I’ve been meaning to write a piece about this since I watch A Noodle, A Women And a Gun Shop two weeks ago.

    • Jarv says :

      the problem is that they’re so similar.

      For example- Funny Games is making it into the worst, but it’s also one of the most pointless. Ditto Van Sant’s Psycho.

      • Jarv says :

        Hence why I’m going for Hateful.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well its odd I mean you got worthless remakes that just suck, like The Fog or whatever. But then you got True Grits which are both fine films but there really is not good reason for both to exsit, same could be said about The Lettings of People In, possible Next Three Days/For Her. Remakes that are fine and good but don’t add/expand enough on the original to have warrented being redone in the first place.

      • Jarv says :

        Aye, but that’s so difficult. I’ll never get 10 out of it. Red Dragon, for example.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ohhh come on push yourself!

        I’m sure there are 10 in here:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_remakes_A-M
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_remakes_N-Z

        Let Me In/Let The Right One In
        True Grit/True Grit
        Manhunter/Red Dragon
        3:10 To Yuma/3:10 To Yuma
        The Next Three Days/For Her
        The Departed/Infreral Afrairs
        Death at a Funeral/Death at a Funeral
        Diabolique/Les Diaboliques
        Scent of a Woman/Profumo di donna
        Shall We Dance/Shall We Dansu?

        There, there’s 9 to get you started.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s where I started.

        But I want to include some of them such as Diabolique and The Vanishing in the bad list.

      • just pillow talk says :

        Assault on Precinct 13 falls in sort of the middle.

        I don’t think either one totally succeeds.

      • Jarv says :

        I like Carpenters and fucking HATE that remake. However, I don’t think it’s up there with Carpenters best.

        I can’t see any reason at all for that remake to exist. It’s just shit on every level.

      • just pillow talk says :

        I don’t think that highly of Carpenter’s version, which I realize probably had virtually no budget. But it still comes across as being pretty silly for me, and not some dire situation for the cops, with hard-core criminals invading the station.

      • Jarv says :

        It’s the weakest of Carpenters hot streak- but there are flashes of greatness in it- the murder at the beginning and the use of silence for example.

        The remake just sucks balls, is completely worthless and up there with some of the worst hackery seen anywhere.

      • koutchboom says :

        I actually really liked Carpenters Assult on 13, its one of my fav’s by him. I also dug both remakes, the French one wasn’t that good but it was fun, the American/French one was a fine sort of throw away movie. Just a harmless time waster. Its funny how when Harry Knowles was blabbing about the Mesermine movie in his DVD section he said that ALL THIS GUYS films need to be seen…which would include the Assult On 13 remake.

      • just pillow talk says :

        I think if Carpenter’s name wasn’t attached to that movie, it wouldn’t get nearly the same attention. But because of what came after it, people think it’s better than it is.

        What I liked about the sequel: I was actually caught off-guard when they put a bullet in the head of Maria Bello.

        Yes, it’s shit. But I don’t think Carpenter’s is good either.

      • Spud McSpud says :

        There’s only two great remakes of ASSAUT ON PRECINCT 13. The first is an episode in SUPERNATURAL’s JUS IN BELLO, episode 12 of season 3, and the second is ATTACK THE BLOCK, which I saw last night, absolutely loved, and is in equal parts an homage / rip-off of THE WARRIORS and ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13 with aliens and comedy in it. Very worthy of your time.

  3. koutchboom says :

    Work seems to be doing fine without me so I am going to check out this La Jetée right now.

  4. just pillow talk says :

    Some of these I had no idea are or could be considered remakes.

    Some of these I need to revisit since I haven’t seen them in ages (12 Monkeys) and even longer (No Way Out).

    I still maintain that The Invasion of the Body Snatchers (’78 version) should be on this list. I think it’s the creepiest of all the versions.

  5. Continentalop says :

    Maltese Falcon. John Huston & Bogart’s was the third time it was made.

    Then there is Ben-Hur, Scarlet Street (remake of La Chianne), The Beat That My Heart Skipped (remake of Fingers), and, of course, the Departed.

  6. Droid says :

    Christ, The Vanishing remake. What a fucking piece of shit.

    • Jarv says :

      Dreadful. I’d still like to know what the hell Bridges was playing at in it.

      And as for the ending…

    • Continentalop says :

      Seriously, how do you remake your own movie and make it so fucking bad? If anything, that thing was an insult to how people see American audiences, because he felt he had to dumb it down for us.

      • koutchboom says :

        I need to watch the original. I saw the remake ages ago (before I had any idea it was some remake) I thought it was a fun thriller. I watch it again recently and thought that it was ok.

        Is the original just that good? What’s so bad about the remake?

        And why isn’t The Cold Light of Day on DVD? Wait I see that you can watch the full movie somewhere online now.

      • koutchboom says :

        The Cold Light of Day also being a remake.

      • Jarv says :

        Presuming we’re talking about The Vanishing here:

        Cast arguably Hollywood’s most likable actor in a role completely unsuited to him.
        Change the iconic and terrifying ending.
        Blatantly don’t give a toss while you’re allegedly making a film.

        See also Haneke with Funny Games.

      • koutchboom says :

        Cast arguably Hollywood’s most likable actor…was that Bridges at the time? Or 24?

        Either way I thought Bridges was interesting in that role, he’s pretty creepy.

        Not sure why he didn’t give a toss? It’s not like the film is shittly made. So it really comes down to the ending? I’m guessing I know what the orginal ending is but I don’t know so please try not to ruin it I’ve gone this long unspoiled! Maybe I’ll watch it this weekend I wanted to do them back to back but my wife doesn’t understand the concept of that.

  7. Continentalop says :

    BTW, The Big Clock is an awesome movie. Although a little dated, I think it is superior to No Way Out.

    • Jarv says :

      Yup, really good film. I really like No Way Out, though.

      I’d totally forgotten about it and then blundered across it on TV the other night. Reminded me that Costner can be good.

  8. koutchboom says :

    Ohh yeah you also got The Virgin Sping and The Last House on the Left THEN Last House On The Left Remake. I really need to watch Spring, I’ve had it forever. I should invite Beeks over for a double bill.

  9. Continentalop says :

    Looking at the above comments, how is 3:10 to Yuma a pointless remake? I didn’t like it that much, especially compared to the remake, but it went in a totally different direction and had a completely different theme and tone.

    And once again, the Departed wasn’t pointless. You might not like it, but it transported the Hong Kong mob story over to Boston and made it into a version of the Winter Hill Mob and Whitey Bulger saga. Hardly pointless.

    • Jarv says :

      I don’t like it, but I don’t consider it to be pointless. It added a lot to the original, for better or worse, and took it in a different direction especially regarding the support.

      While IA pisses all over it, there was at least an attempt to do something to distinguish it from the original.

      • Continentalop says :

        That was more directed towards Kouch and his list.

        All I will say is I like the Departed. Every time I watch it I learn and see something new.

    • Continentalop says :

      And there is still a big difference in tone between the two True Grits, IMO. You could argue the Magnificent Seven or Fistful of Dollar are pointless remakes because all they did was transport samurai stories over to a Western setting without really changing story or characters.

      • Jarv says :

        I’d argue that those two are less worthless than, say, The Vanishing or Diabolique (which is hateful) or Funny Games and so forth- Funny Games in particular is the most worthless remake of all time.

      • Continentalop says :

        I wouldn’t say they were worthless at all, just pointing out that really all the changes in those movies were cosmetic ones (setting, costumes, time period, etc) but were basically shot-by-shot remakes.

    • koutchboom says :

      These aren’t about liking and disliking. First off I haven’t seen the original 3:10 so i was just going off what I heard. And like I’ve said all along about True Grit, ones like a 6 the others an 8 like….who really gives a shit about that little of a difference. AGAIN this isn’t about how good either film is (unless one is just complete shit). Departed is a bit of a grey area yeah sure they pretty much just changed the setting but most of all the same beats are there, I’d need to see them both again to really tell (i don’t dislike the departed).

      I get its a Shakespeare thing, in that all films could be remade for slighty minute differences here and there, but at the end of the day they reach the same point by doing the exact same thing. I mean if you are going to remake something at least try something different with it, for better are worse.

      • Continentalop says :

        I’m not yelling at you or anything or saying you are saying they are bad, I am just trying to figure out why you see them as pointless (ok, True Grit I understand because you see it as shot-by-shot, and I see it having a vastly different tone – we’ll just have to agree to disagree about that one).

        And yeah, the Departed has all the same beats but in a slightly different context IMO.

        Finally, to paraphrase Howard Hawks: every film is just telling the same stories over and over; it’s just that they use different characters each time.

      • koutchboom says :

        I guess pointless maybe seems to harsh of a word. I don’t know what else you’d call them, I mean what else do you call it when you end up at the same point with both films? When the look and feel is so similar. Its the odd middle ground of remakes that isn’t really acknowledged, because its more interesting when a good film is turned into a bad film or vice versa. But with a good film is turned into a good film…then what? Its just odd to have the funding for a movie something that isn’t easy to come by then you go out and make pretty much the exact same movie all over again. Like you really had nothing to say, its almost like some sort of film making exercise. Its just odd to think that.

        I mean sure stuff like Let Me In/Let The Right One In where there are conflicting stories about what was being made when and the overlap and where it happened and how they possibly arrived at the same point magically. But lets say Death At a Funeal or The Next Three Days (just to stay away from True Grit for now) (and again I haven’t seen For Her so I don’t know how vastly they differ just going off what I’ve heard), there is a decent couple of years inbetween them, why would anyone go out and turn out almost an exact copy, like whats the mind set behind that.

        Its almost odder than a cash crab, because that at least can be figured out. But is it more from a directors saving face point of view? Like the studios have this already done movie here go fucking remake it earn us money? And the director can either produce crap or just try to redo most of it. I mean it really is odd the balaencing point of a remake from good to bad to the same.

      • koutchboom says :

        I mean think about The Ten Commandmants remake, from the same director. He pretty much did it because they wanted a spectacle and pretty much to update the special effects and change the story around a little (maybe? Wasn’t the original sort of a flashback tale? I’ve never seen that as well). Like there was good motivation for that redo.

      • Jarv says :

        The really strange ones are things like the Psycho remake. What the fuck was the point of that?

      • Continentalop says :

        The point was that Gus Van Sant is into all that avant garde/pop-art shit like Andy Warhol. A shot-by-shot remake of a masterpiece makes sense if you think that repeating cans of soup is a great piece of art.

      • Jarv says :

        OK, but I think we can take it as read that I don’t.

        It wasn’t art. It was plagiarism.

      • koutchboom says :

        Its also odd to hear film makers talk about the originals. How some will try to distance themselves from it and others embrace that its a remake.

      • Continentalop says :

        And I agree with you Jarv. Not a fan of modern art at all.

      • Jarv says :

        Depends on the “art” actually.

        On one hand, I’m not going to pretend for a second that shit like Tracey Emin’s bed could remotely be considered art. Abstract+ Conceptual= butt naked Emperor. However I can make a good case for Surrealism and whatnot.

      • Jarv says :

        (Off now)

        See you later.

  10. Continentalop says :

    And we forgot about the greatest Seven Samurai remake ever: Battle Beyond the Stars.

    (Bug’s Life too).

    • Jarv says :

      This comes back to the argument about there only being Six actual stories (archetypes) and that everything is basically rehashed from those six. I’m not convinced at all about it.

    • Spud McSpud says :

      You can argue the six stories theory (I thought it was seven), but the six/seven stories are so loosely defined, you can pretty much force any movie in most of the categories. Not brilliantly thought out, but I see where they were coming from with it.

  11. authorguy says :

    What about A Star is Born, the Judy Garland version compared to the Janet Gaynor version?

    • Jarv says :

      Not seen either, I’m pleased to say. Although there is some mileage out of this topic, clearly.

      • Continentalop says :

        The Judy Garland version is surprisingly good (never did see the Janet Gaynor version). Just avoid the Streisand version.

      • authorguy says :

        The Gaynor version is billed as ‘the best Hollywood story ever made’, and the Garland version is billed as a rare thing, a remake that is as good as the original. Of course, being Garland, hers was a musical where Gaynor’s was a straight drama.

      • Continentalop says :

        Going to have to check out the Gaynor version. Big fan of hers (Especially the three films in a row she won Best Acress for).

        And I love good Hollywood stories, like the Bad and the Beautiful. So this should be right up my alley.

  12. L Bronco says :

    Ah, perfect list this is-be cause of number one-The Thing.

    Just had a house guest who’s a big indie filmmaker guy, and we were just watching TV. So I made him watch Game Of Thrones, we were watching some screeners, and then The Thing was on, and he had never seen it ever.

    Not a horror guy, you see.

    I was like, are you fucking serious?

    And he was squeamish, but got sucked in by the paranoia. he was making Wilford Brimley jokes, and I was like, just keep watching.

    At the end, he was just…damn-that was hardcore.

    Sorry to talk like a valley girl, but I almost asked him-have you ever seen Jaws?

    Uh, Star Wars?

    Close Encounters?

    He he

    • Spud McSpud says :

      Fucking hel, Bronco. How has the kid gotten as far as he has in that industry, having missed out on most of the undisputed classics of the Movie Brats era?

      Fuck. I can’t over-estimate how much less rich my imagination would be were it not for John Carpenter’s movies, and those of the Berg and the Beard. (Well, the early ones.)

      Smack his ass and make him watch ALIEN next.

  13. Xiphos0311 says :

    I am going to disagree with you about No Way Out. it was an awful movie with leaden acting, charaters making silly decisons just to further the plot and an obvious twist of Shaymalan like proportions. Hell even the dumb broad I saw the movie with figured it out before I did. In my defense I was trying to get some play and got stone walled.

    Costner’s best role was in Water World or depending on how high/low my hate of Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins is that day, I would say Bull Durham. Tin Cup could be in the mix also.

    True Lies was probably the last mildly watchable Cameron film and it isn’t aging well.

    People point to 12 Monkey’s as proof that Pitt can act? Do they conveniently forget Legends of the Fall, A River Runs Through It(I recommend highly the short story the movie is based on. Actually all three short stories that make up the book are top notch), Kalifornia and even though I loathe the movie he was solid in Fight Club.

    • Jarv says :

      I liked it. For the record, I tried to watch Waterworld the other night and turned it off in boredom. I do like both Bull Durham and Tin Cup- but I can also make a good case for A Perfect World.

      Can’t stand River or Legends- and think he does a first rate plank of wood in both. Kalifornia, though, is epic and totally underrated.

    • koutchboom says :

      He was also good in Seven Years in Tibet despite the fact that he apologizes for it.

  14. MORBIUS says :

    FORBIDDEN PLANET (56) based on THE TEMPEST

    FORBIDDEN PLANET FTW !!!

  15. MORBIUS says :

    NOT OF THIS EARTH (88)

    vs

    NOT OF THIS EARTH (57)

  16. MORBIUS says :

    ARTHUR (81) ARTHUR (2011)

  17. ThereWolf says :

    Can’t argue with those. A couple of the originals I haven’t seen. I’ve always preferred the original ‘Scarface’ to DePalma’s, really like Paul Muni in that.

    Is ‘The Thing’ a remake of ‘The Thing From Another World’? I understood it to be a closer adaption of the short story ‘Who Goes There?’

    • Jarv says :

      Technically, yes.

      However, along the same lines as Yojimbo, Fistfull of Dollars and Last Man Standing all being based on Red Harvest.

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