Here it is boys and girls. The fifth season finale is tonight, 13 May 2010, so let’s discuss. There is one important ground rule that goes with this ChangBack and it is the only rule. In order to help our foreignnally challenged friends, there will be no discussion of the episode itself until Monday 18 May so the dwellers on that rain swept rock in the North Atlantic can see the episode spoiler free. Feel free to talk about possibilities for the finale, theorize about next season and anything else pertaining to SN. Just don’t get specific about the finale until Monday or after everybody has had a chance to see it.



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153 responses to “Supernatural”

  1. Continentalop says :

    You know i never have seen an episode of this show but you all seem to think it rocks. I guess I am going to have to check it out.

    • kloipy says :

      thank God I’m not the only one

      • Continentalop says :

        Yeah, seems like every here watches this show.

        Except for the only two people currently posting in the Supernatural Changback.

      • kloipy says :

        Well I won’t feel so left out when I post the Changback for the new season of Sesame Street, because damn has that show become intense. I have no idea what the cliffender letter of the day will be.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        The Sesame Street finale will involve the count he’s a shifty bastard.

      • kloipy says :

        he miscounts something end blows his brains out all over ‘the street’

      • kloipy says :

        also rereading my earlier post, what the fuck is a cliffender?

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Is “Cliffender” the British version of the word?

        Sesame Street should have a season finale in the style of the Wire. That would be fun.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah even though I’m king of TV, or TV Ted (whatever the fuck his name was in Willy Wonka) around here I’ve only seen part of one episode. Seem like I needed to know more to get more out of it. If net flix has this or gets it I may start going through the seasons.

        Yet as I sit here and watching fucking V I know my time could be better spent. Why do I watch that show? I don’t even pay attention?

  2. xiphos0311 says :

    Conti standard disclaimer. The pilot is good then it wanders around until mid-season when the series arc starts to come together. From there it rockets upward on a missile like trajectory.

    • Continentalop says :

      How does it compare to Veronica Mars?

      • xiphos0311 says :

        in terms of quality they are comparable(Veronica Mars season one and two are somewhat better because of the real world elements) but the stories share nothing in common.

  3. koutchboom says :

    Hey Xi I know your pretty big into comic books. I notice at the shop today that there is a Supernatural comic. You reading that?

    • xiphos0311 says :

      No I didn’t know that there was an SN comic book and I really would have no interest in it. I need to see and hear my bromance Jensen Ackles and a comic book wouldn’t give me that jolt.

      I read a couple of the Fire Fly comics and I realized that comic book treatments of TV shows I liked don’t work for me.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah I’ve only really tried the Simpsons comics and I find those terrible unfunny and slow. They are popular as hell though?

      • Jarv says :

        I’ve got a load of book tokens I haven’t used so am going to go and buy as much Judge Dredd as I can on the weekend.

        Just felt a need to share, it’s not particularly relevant to anything.

  4. Jarv says :

    Rock in the North Atlantic?

    You surely mean “This sceptered isle, this throne of kings, this other eden?”

  5. Jarv says :

    With Supernatural- I’ll reiterate the official warning: there are spots of greatness in the first series, but it starts picking up properly towards the end and it’s the last 2 series that have fucking destroyed.

    Teddy Bear Suicide for one, Kris Angel is a Douche from last series or nearly (with one exception and even that hasn’t been bad) every episode of this one.

    • Droid says :

      I think it’s pretty good, if a bit monster of the week for two seasons. Season 3 is where it hooked me.

      • Jarv says :

        Yeah, and some monsters are more effective than others. It is good, but seeing it there’s no real indication as to how good it would get.

      • Jarv says :

        Which series were the 2 old pagan gods posing as a couple of nice OAP’s and murdering everyone in the town?

        That was a good monster of the week.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        The two pagan gods was the Christmas episode for season 3 called a Very Supernatural Christmas.

      • Jarv says :

        There was a great gag at the end where they gave each other gifts they’d got from the garage. Porn and replacement wipers as I remember.

  6. Jarv says :

    I think I first saw Jensen Ackles in Dark Angel years ago. He was alright, but nowhere near as good as he is in SN, and I do admit to mostly being distracted by Alba in a skin tight jumpsuit.

    • Droid says :

      I saw Ackles in that My Bloody Valentine flick before I ever knew who he was. He was shit in that.

      That said, Laurence Olivier wouldn’t come off in a positive light from that piece of shit.

      • Jarv says :

        I’ve never seen that, and I intend to never see that.

      • Droid says :

        I won it from MyMavra by guessing the opening weekend box office of Drag Me to Hell.

        I felt obligated to watch it.

      • Continentalop says :

        Don’t. It is shit. Only one good thing in the movie – naked girl for 20 minutes. And then they kill her.

        Fucking stupid. Should of had her in the whole movie. Naked.

      • Droid says :

        Speaking of Mav. Wonder how she’s going? Didn’t she get married or somesuch?

      • Jarv says :


        I should really email her at some point.

      • Jarv says :

        Fucking stupid. Should of had her in the whole movie. Naked

        With another naked chick and a soundtrack by the Indigo Girls?

      • Continentalop says :

        Now you’re talking.

        But really, the girl who guys the Full Monty, Betsy Rue, was like the only character with any sort of charisma in that movie.

        I would have changed that film once I saw she was the only “character” in that film into a horror mystery solved by a naked detective.

        Because, you know, she doesn’t want to contaminate the crime scene.

      • Jarv says :

        The problem with naked detectives is- where do they keep the badge?

      • Jarv says :

        I don’t know what I’ve got against the Indigo Girls recently, aside from them being a) rubbish and b) music for lesbians.

      • koutchboom says :

        With another naked chick and a soundtrack by the Indigo Girls?

        Or dear god no, that would be like one of those actual Lesbian films, which are god awful. Like an actual Lesbian film made for lesbians are usually shitty as hell. They are worse then lifetime movies with nudity but its so bad you can’t watch it.

      • Jarv says :

        Just out of curiosity- why have you seen an actual lesbian film made by lesbians for lesbians?

      • koutchboom says :

        I thought better than chocolate looked like a cooler movie then it turned out to be. FUCK I just saw a trailer for one the other day, I can’t remember the name though.

      • Droid says :

        Probably in the hope of some hot lesbian action. Poor deluded Koutch.

    • xiphos0311 says :

      I first saw Ackles on Smallville and he was competent but nothing special he banked the charisma for the role of slat of wood boyfriend for slat of wood actress.

      • Jarv says :

        He’d been knocking around TV land for a while, it seems.

      • Droid says :

        It took Ackles a while to grow on me. He’s gotten much better as the show has progressed. But it wasn’t until season 4 when I really started to like him. You know, in that whole hetero beer and sports kinda way.

        He went through a period of calling everyone he didn’t like ‘chuckles’ which I found hilarious. It’s such a simple, but demeaning term.

      • Jarv says :

        I much prefer him to Jared. But that’s because I haven’t really liked Sam for a while. However, he was mint in that episode with the nerd taking over his body. Best performance he’s given in ages. He was also good in the Poker one.

      • Droid says :

        Sam is the straight man though. The funny guy is always the one you want to hang out with.

      • Jarv says :

        It’s not the straight man- it’s that he seems to have been full of angst for ages. He was pissing me off at the start of this series, but has got loads better since. I didn’t like the addiction storyline at all.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Droid is right Sam has the harder role of straight man/grown up to the ball of Id that is Dean.

        Padalicki has really grown into the part the last couple of years and this season he has shown a depth i didn’t know he had. Still Ackles is better.

        Sam was pretty forceful and kinda of scary last week mowing down croatoan zombies in the warehouse.

      • Droid says :

        The show has revolved around Sams storyline a lot more though. Sams nearly always “the problem” which Dean needs to solve. So he’s kind of been sandbagged with that. When Dean gets his own storyline its a cool one where he gets out of hell. With Sam it’s addiction and I hate my father, which isn’t boring, just not as entertaining.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s a fair enough comment, and when he is given a chance to do something more enjoyable he is really good.

        To be honest, I’d also have fallen for Ruby’s shit.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Blond Ruby not so much the brunette version.

      • Jarv says :

        Coma Girl Ruby? Yup.

  7. Continentalop says :

    She’s a private detective, not a cop. Like Sherlock. So she doesn’t need a badge.

    And if she did I know where she would keep it.

  8. Continentalop says :

    “She looked about as inconspicuous as a penis at a lesbian bar.”

  9. Tom_Bando says :

    Hmmm. Well I do have the third season of Northern Exposure here now–does that count? Moose and Janine Turner. Works for me.

  10. Tom_Bando says :

    Ahhhh I see Harold has decided to blast the new Robbing Hood w/ Russell Crowe–apparently he didn’t get his gimmies and picked a safe, token big film to hammer. Nice. I hope his Elm St. re-do check cleared-

    I always liked our friends on Picket Fences too. Good times.

  11. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    After a Lost ep that turned even me into a hater, this finale is a much welcome thing. Can’t wat to shoot the breeze on it Monday.

    Jarv, sent you an email.

    Thanks for putting this up Xi. I want to send you that Supernatural book, but I haven’t amassed quite enough free crap to send you yet to make it worthwhile.

    • koutchboom says :

      Which Lost episode you talkin bout specifically? The last one?

    • Droid says :

      Let me guess… Was it the pilot?

      • Droid says :

        Fuck off. That’s solid gold right there you ingrate.

      • koutchboom says :

        Eh, it was ok Droid nothing special.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        certainly not the kind of diss that results in coworkers high-fiving you and exclaiming ‘good burn!’

      • Droid says :

        My apologies koutch. Might it have been funnier if I had fought a giant chicken for fifteen minutes prior to delivering the joke?

      • koutchboom says :

        OHHH NO HE DIDN’T!!! SNAP! Droid still doesn’t find Family Guy FUNNY!!! LOOK OUT!

        Hey I was giving you a fucking compliment. The joke was ok, but nothing to make one put a shrimp on the barbie. There go your chances of me sending you my Supernatural comic book collection when I done with it.

      • Droid says :

        Tragedy strikes! I’ve blown my chance at recieving a double-down stained copy of a comic I’ll never read.

      • koutchboom says :

        Droid I did find the perfect comic for you though, its about your idol:

      • Droid says :

        Also, have you been watching Ricki Lake?

      • koutchboom says :

        ??? Wow thats a reach. Ricki Lake jokes haven’t been around in over 10 years. I don’t even know what that means?

      • Droid says :

        It wasn’t a joke. It was a serious question. There was always a black female audience member that would stand up and yell “Oh no you didn’t!”

        Just reminded me. Thought you might be a fan. Suppose Jerry’s more your thing.

      • koutchboom says :

        Sure whatever? I guess you watch a lot more day time TV then I do. They are all the same to me. The ‘oh no you did not’ is a generic term i thought, didn’t know its origin story. I like that though, run with it. We need an origin tale about that lady. Get Murphy on the line!

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah its fine.

      • Droid says :

        The origin story of Ricki Lake is easy.

        An ordinary thin girl who one day discovers that inside her she has a fat girl trying to get out.

        I watched a lot of day time tv at Uni.

        Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

        Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve! Steve!

      • koutchboom says :

        Hahahah well first off your wrong about Ricki, she went from Fat to Skinny. Watch some old John Waters flicks some time.

        Secondly everyone knows that origin story. I’m talking about the origin story of the ‘OH NO YOU DID NOT!” lady. What’s her story? And will if have fart jokes?

      • Droid says :

        “Oh, no you did not!” starring Queen Latifah.

        A spirited comedy about a working class mother dealing with her precocious children and deadbeat ex-husband.

        Ugh. Unfortunately I can see it now.

        – Child does a fart. “Oh no you did not!”

        – Ex-husband gets arrested. “Oh no you did not!”

        – Sleazy next door neighbour hits on her. “Oh no you did not!”

        And so on and so forth until I slit my wrists.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        Don Murphy just called me…Said you are forgiven Droid since you just provided him with enough great ideas to get ‘Oh No You Din’t’ off the ground.

        He also added that he made it better by adding Megan Fox as the ex-husband’s new ho who gets into a knife fight with Latifah.

    • xiphos0311 says :

      After a Lost ep that turned even me into a hater

      Welcome to the dark side Jonah we have cocktails at 5. Lost has sucked all season and most of last year. Lindolfff and Cuse hate their audience and just like the Goatfuckes love obsession JJ Abrams they don’t know how to close out a story.

      • Jarv says :

        Fucking hate lost.

        Cock teasing shit, that also simultaneously manages to be fartily psuedo arty and dismally boring.

  12. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    dear lord yes, that one….

  13. koutchboom says :

    You guys wanna see if we can get a group discount for subscriptions on this?

    • Jarv says :

      That was a fucking terrible day.

      My internets got fucked in the ass by IT monkeys then I’m forced to stay and actually fucking work until 7.30.

      Missed some great chat.

  14. xiphos0311 says :

    I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the best idea that the writers of SN had was bringing in Angels and making most of them such complete asshats.

    All the angels have been interesting in some way and Castiel has been great as a regular cast member.

  15. xiphos0311 says :

    The other thing that surprises me about SN is on occasion how bloody and violent it is since it is on during prime time. I guess there is something to be said for being on an almost network like the CW nobody cares what you do.

    • Jarv says :

      It’s quite clever with it though, one of the reasons the 2 pagan gods episode sticks with me is that it’s one of the few where you actually see bloody violence. Generally the magic knife goes in, and then there’s some pyrotechnics.

      It has got harder as it’s gone on as well.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        This season has been particularly bloody. That valentines episode come to mind with the cannibalism and ripping off of flesh. That episode caught me by surprise.

        Last week you had Castiel head shooting a croatoan that was just an infected human.

      • Jarv says :

        That cannibalism was nasty (Cupid was GENIUS in it)- as was Lucifer killing the old gods.

        There’s been some proper bloody violence in this series.

  16. Barfy says :

    Supernatural is bloody and gory but the humor is always a standout. As when Dean visits an old girlfriend and wonders if her son could be his.

    The Dean.
    Best night of my life Dean.

  17. Bartleby says :

    Tonight’s ep was mint…

    Looking forward to hearing what the gang has to say about it.

    My review (spoiler-filled so beware) will be up at AP and PCN shortly.

    • koutchboom says :

      Yeah I KNOW! I can’t believe Micheal stayed with that girl, OH WAIT! I’m talking about a show normal people are watching.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        The office sucks.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well then why you still watching it?

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Huh? I’m not because it is not funny and it is a bad show.

      • koutchboom says :

        Hahahaha sure your not. You answered that question way to fast not to be watching it. Its ok man, for some reason I am still watching V which was never good. At least the Office was really good at one point, I understand not being able to give up hope.

      • Bartleby says :

        it wasn’t exactly a riddle Koutch. When you said normal people it’s easy to assume you mean the masses, and it aint hard to figure out what mass-appeal show starring a character named Michael plays on thursday nights.

        I haven’t watched the Office since maybe the first ep of this season, and I knew what you were talking about, although not the specific details.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah if I was a better man I wouldn’t give those fucks that wrote Year One any more of my time, but this season has been really up and down.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Kouth you fucking retard they run these things called commercials on NBC maybe you have seen them? Have your mom loosen the straps on your helmet.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        they run these things called commercials on NBC maybe you have seen them? Have your mom loosen the straps on your helmet.

      • koutchboom says :

        Hahaha commercials??? What the fuck are you living in the 90’s still? I haven’t seen a commercial in over 5 years. Its Ok Xi, no one cares if you wonder outside the WB universe. Just please tell me you aren’t supporting Leno?

      • xiphos0311 says :

        Serious question. Are you retarded or just have a very low IQ?

      • koutchboom says :

        Just admit it Xi, you are a closet Office fan. Don’t be hatting just because you can’t afford DVR. Also unless you are watching NBC how are you seeing commercials for NBC shows?

      • Droid says :

        I’d like to weigh in on this one…

        The US version of The Office blows.

        That is all.

      • Droid says :

        However, I have warmed to 30 Rock and I like Parks and Rec.

        Whatever happened to Better off Ted? Did it get cancelled?

      • koutchboom says :

        Hahahah just saw this at ginger town:


      • koutchboom says :

        Naw season 2 of the Office is probably one of the greatest season of any comedy show. And 30 Rock has got real old real fast, comes down to the fact that you don’t really care about anything good coming to the characters. Except for Griz and .Com. Parks and Rec is solid but its no where near as good as the office was at the same point, and a more suited title would be ‘The Ron Swanson Show’. As for Better of Ted I thought I heard somewhere that its coming back in the summer, but I also thought I heard that it was cancelled.

        And the big surprise is that Community has gotten past its weak ass first couple of episodes and is now something to look forward to. But all they do now is spoof movies which will probably get boring soon.

    • Tom_Bando says :

      The Office-Blows. Carrell is like nails on a chalkboard. No thanks. And they run the repeats of it same time as reruns of Monk–you know Monk and Carrell could play siblings? Carrell reminds me of Casey Kasem a bit much…..

      So I’m in agreement w/ Noted_Sage Xiphos_Too here, just because.

  18. Bartleby says :

    Ahh, yes. Normal people. Baaaahhh!!

  19. Bartleby says :

    xi, did you watch tonight? basic general thought? (no plot points mentioned)

    It cements my feelings of best season thus far.

    • xiphos0311 says :

      I haven’t seen it yet due to the fact that I am still at work due to knuckle heads.

      I’ll probably watch it when I get home or in the morning maybe.

    • xiphos0311 says :

      Just finished watching it and they did a real good job with it.

      • Jarv says :

        So jealous.

        BT have clipped me for excessive bandwidth use apparently. I’ve gone over 80GB this month. Which I find hard to believe, but there you have it.

  20. Droid says :

    OMG!!! I can’t believe something happened to somebody at some stage of the season finale!!!

    I never saw it coming! What do you guys think of that thing that happened???

  21. xiphos0311 says :

    Also unless you are watching NBC how are you seeing commercials for NBC shows?

    is this your big gotcha moment imbecile? Take your ADD meds boy because even by your paste eating standards that’ s moronic and nonsensical. It’s right up there with your monumentally unfunny WB “joke” above. You should write for Family your so unfunny.

  22. Droid says :

    Well I just watched it.

    It…. was…. good….

    Nothing I can say without giving away spoilers.

  23. redfishybluefishy says :

    Thought it was a great season ender. This show has completely lured me in the last two and a half seasons. One of these days I’m going to have to go back to the beginning and watch the whole thing.

  24. xiphos0311 says :

    Discussion embargo of finale lifted, talk away.

    • Jarv says :


      Liked most of it. So next series will be Dean v Sam, unless they pull a hell of a deus ex machina to get out of it.

      Really pleased what happened to Castiel, and Bobby- well thought out and good use of the prophet device.

      • Bartleby says :

        I didn’t get the idea it was Dean vs. Sam at all at the end there.

        I thought it was one of the following two possibilities:

        God decided to grant reprieve on behalf of a job well done and just delivered Sam back, probably because without him, Dean isn’t fulfilling her true calling.

        I like this because it suggests that next season will begin a new story with the exact opposite trajectory of season 1, with Sam going to Dean, who’s leaving a normal, balanced life and pulling him out for the sake of the hunt.

        Chances are Sam learned something of use on the other side.

        Second, and hopefully less likely possibility:
        The streetlamp flicker (which I

      • Bartleby says :

        sorry…let me try again.

        The streetlamp flicker might suggest Sam is back, but as a ghost, etc. I really doubt it. I think the big G sent him back and that’s how it will go down. If he is a ghost, then Sam will probably haunt Dean’s ass for awhile until he gets him out of the box, or finds him a new body. That seems plausible, that at the last moment, only Lucifer inside of Sam’s body fell into the abyss, leaving possibly Sam and Adam wandering spirits.

        Personally, I like the idea that Sam’s just back. Yea, it’s a deus ex machina, but it’s not a cheat if you have already established God in the story, and made such a big deal about how he never helps out. He already brought Castiel back, presumably because of services rendered, so reconstituting Sam for the same makes more sense than it doesn’t.

  25. Bartleby says :

    having Chuck as a God was a better tool I think than making it some new character or some giant clandestine moment.

    It was a good solid end to the season. I’m guessing that the issue regarding Bobby’s soul and Crowley will pop up again, as they made Crowley too strong of a presence near season end to just drop him out of the narrative without any explanation.

    • Droid says :

      So chuck was a god? Are prophets gods? I was a bit confused by him fading out. That was one of my questions.

      • xiphos0311 says :

        I don’t think Chuck is a god I think his disappearance might be the hook that Castiel or the angels use to get Dean to quit his newly made shake and bake family and break his promise to Sam and get back on the road hunting.

        Meanwhile, for a few episodes, we will have mystery Sam orbiting around Dean’s movements until the time is right to reveal himself. What he is I have no clue. Maybe Sam is some sort of hybrid or he has control over Satan but it’s shaky and Satan gets control once in awhile.

      • Jarv says :

        Chuck as god?

        I don’t know why that didn’t occur to me, but now you mention it, it’s fucking obvious.

      • Droid says :

        Wait, Chuck was A god or Chuck WAS god? Because those are two very different things.

      • Echo the Bunnyman says :

        I meant Chuck was God with a capital G. The ‘a’ was a typo on my part.

        I think thats exactly what they were getting at. Kripke said that the team were having a good time writing God’s lines this season, to indicate he’d have a big reveal. But that isn’t what they were doing.

        Chuck used the guise of aprophet to hide the fact of his whereabouts from the angels and Sam and Dean. He wasnt getting transmissions, he was blatantly writing their destiny right in front of them the whole time.

        It also proves he wasn’t absentee but steering the ship from the beginning.

      • Droid says :

        Coolio. Makes sense I guess.

        If you said the character of God in any other show was an alco who liked phone sex I’d question it… but in SN it doesn’t seem so out of the ordinary.

  26. Droid says :

    Here’s a whacky theory and not thought through at all… So there is .0000000001% that it’s even remotely correct…

    Sam is the son of god, resurrected. God is Winchester Snr.

    How that works I have no idea. How Sam could be the vessel for Satan AND son of god is beyond me. And before that ep I didn’t believe that Snr would be god. It’s just too obvious and cute for me. But like I said, it’s a whacky theory that is very very unlikely.

    Now, since that is totally ridiculous, I will put it down to the wine, but sometimes nutjob theories are close to the truth…

    • Jarv says :

      It would explain precisely how Dean and Sam were the perfect vessels.

      However, they already said that the Winchesters were directly descended from Cain and Abel, so I don’t think that’s it.

  27. Echo the Bunnyman says :

    However, if I did misinterpret Chuck as God (which I dont think I did) his disappearance still isnt that strange Many prophets in many religions were assumed intoh eaven when they work was done. No death, just poof, they vanished.

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