Kloipy’s Stephen King Series: The Shawshank Redemption

Annoying Personal Note:

I’ve always been a horror fan. As long as I can remember I’ve been intrigued by the genre. I grew up starting on the Universal Monsters and then on the more modern classics (by modern I mean 70’s and 80’s). It was only a matter of time before I found out about Stephen King. My parents used to take me to yard sales most weekends in the spring and summer and being an avid reader I would always case the boxes of books. I’ll never forget seeing the cover of my first SK book. The frothing muzzle of a dog with the name CUJO in deep red letters. I was hooked from there. I was only in 3rd grade at the time but as soon as I finished I went looking for more. It’s been 18 years since that first book and my love of all things King hasn’t changed. With this series I’ll primarily focus on the adapted film works but I am also throwing in a few book reviews as well. I’ll be harsh on the ones that deserve it (and yes, there are more than a few). So with that out of the way, let’s start with The Shawshank Redemption

I’m going to assume that everyone here has seen the movie so I don’t feel the need to reitirate the plot I’d like to focus more on the lasting effects and meaning of the film. In a way this movie has had it’s own redemption. It came into theaters with obscurity and was quickly rushed out even against critical acclaim and oscar nominations. However, once the film found it’s way to rental it became an almost instant classic. Ask most film fans or just general audiences alike to name some of their favorite films and it’s almost assured that Shawshank will fall somewhere on that list. What is it about this quiet film that touches people so deeply?

I think the answer to that is; freedom of the spirit. Watching a wrongly accused man break free from the confines of prison is a joy to watch, but it’s not what I mean. It’s the fact that the years spent in jail he was always free in his soul. I think that we can all relate to some type of prison. Be it work, family trouble, illness, we all have at one time felt trapped. It’s our attitude that can control whether will thrive or wither. Shawshank finds a way to bring a complex emotion into the hearts of people from all different walks of life. We are all Andy and we are all Red. Each of us a sinner and a saint. How we choose to cope in each situation defines us. Are we not at our most true form in the worst times than we are in our best?

There are a few scenes in the film that I feel illustrate that point. The first is the scene in which Andy gets his friends a job working on the roof. Using his outside life experience he is able to get perks for his friends in the form of cold beer. The fact that Andy does this not for his own favor but just to feel alive again can be met with nothing but joy. It’s just the shot of him smiling and sitting by himself that says more than anything. You see a man not held by anyone.

The second scene is the famous ‘opera’ scene, which I find to be one of the most beautiful scenes in cinema. Andy knows ahead of time that he will be punished severly for playing this music over the loudspeakers but he just doesn’t care. He does it because he wants it and damn the rest of the world. I’m convinced he would be willing to die for just a moment of that song. The way Darabont shows the prisoners halt in their tracks and stare up as if they were looking the face of God is absolutely perfect. And like Red says that it’s just right they didn’t know the words because to recognize them would only take away from the beauty. Music is an achievement of humanity, something of which we are capable of creating from only ourselves. It’s a freedom that can’t be taken.

Throughout all the trouble and pain that comes upon Andy we still see his spirit is alive. When we finally get the payoff in the end, seeing him standing underneath the rain, triumphant, we are him in that moment. One of this films major sucesses is the fact that it’s able to truly make us feel for these characters. We hurt with them and rejoice all in a 2 hour span. We understand these characters because the represent all that we want to be inside. There isn’t a forced upon sympathy in this film. Each emotion is earned and understood not by the music telling us or the sweeping camera, it’s the characters themselves. We feel so much for Andy because he is the best that we all strive to be. A man daunted by woe but able to bring himself back up to the light.

But along with Andy we are also Red. A man who is guilty and trying to prove he is good enough. Red, in the society of the prison, is well looked upon, even popular to some degree. But on the inside he is still yearning to just be accepted no matter where he is. He feels shame for what he did and is trying to prove to not only the parole board but to himself that he is good enough. Even through his suspicions of Andy’s sense of hope, Red is inspired by him, and believes in himself. Red allows himself to hope and that is what frees him. It’s interesting that when Red first meets Andy he thinks that he’s weak and will be eaten alive and yet it turns out that Red is speaking almost of himself without hope. I’ve read people complain of the ending feeling tacked on with them meeting on the beach together, but I feel it is most rightfully deserved. After the runtime of gray and cold, the deep blue of the ocean and the bright sun are more than welcome. Seeing the look on Red’s face as he sees Andy for the first time in years is the payoff. It’s two friends getting to see each other in the full light of their freedom.

If we strip ourselves of all the modern conveneinces and comforts, each of us is just another person looking to figure out a meaning to this life. Sure there are many times of happiness but we all have to experience hurt. The hard times are what builds us, what helps us grow. When you see a patient with cancer smile, a person rushing to help out when his or her life is in danger, or anything of that kind you see the strength of the human spirit. That force that drives us to go on even when we are lost. And when we see those people it makes us want to be better. We only hope that we can share in that strength if it were us in that situation. Shawshank captures that idea and some level in us is moved.

My thanks go to King, Darabont, Robbins, and Freeman for this. They have all helped to construct what I consider a perfect film. It’s a film that I feel will live on for a very long time and still continue to inspire first time and repeat viewers. I hope each of us will know someone like Andy. Someone who makes us want to be a better person, someone who gives us permission to dream again. I’ll close this one with the quote from the film that sums that up. One of the greatests speeches I’ve ever had the privilidge to have free my spirit.

“Sometimes it makes me sad, though… Andy being gone. I have to remind myself that some birds aren’t meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright. And when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to lock them up DOES rejoice. But still, the place you live in is that much more drab and empty that they’re gone”

I’ll be back soon with the next installment

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170 responses to “Kloipy’s Stephen King Series: The Shawshank Redemption”

  1. Jarv says :

    Classic film.

    My only criticism is that the tacked on happy ending feels artificial- but that’s a really minor thing. If it had stopped when Red is released then I’d probably moan that it’s too depressing.

    Nice take on it.

    • kloipy says :

      Thanks Jarv. I would actually find it hilarious is they did a re-edit which right after Red meets Andy on the beach the scene changes to show him in the cave from the descent

  2. Droid says :


    Yeah, I do love this film. It has a rewatchability of a timeless classic. One of the best films of the 90’s to be sure.

    I like the ending. It’s not like Red and Andy were running up the beach towards each other and then embrace while the music swells and the camera circles them. It was really understated. Just two old friends happy to see each other. And as Kloipy said, the film earned it.

    mmmm… Rita Hayworth…

    Nice one Kloipy.

    • kloipy says :

      thanks Droid! I agree about the rewatchability. I’ve seen the movie so many times, but i always get sucked into it again when I’m watching it.

  3. koutchboom says :

    Man this is one of those I remember were I was when I saw it movies for me.

    I was baby sitting and they had a copy so popped it in after the kids when to sleep. They came home and I had like 20 minutes left and asked if I could stay to finish it.

    I need to watch it again. Though I’m not sure if I can get past the Family Guy Parody where Peter plays “Holler Back Girl” over the sound system.

    • Droid says :

      Fuck Family Guy. Seriously.

      Why is that funny?

      • koutchboom says :

        I think we are done with this debate. Just call it a draw.

        But if you must know, it wasn’t some cut away gag. They actually spoofed three Steven King novels. So it was straight up spoofing. They did Shawshank/Misery/Stand By Me.

    • Jarv says :

      I’ve seen that one, and it’s not funny. What was quite funny was Peter singing Milkshake in the prison yard- although that’s a different episode.

      • Jarv says :

        The Stand by Me bit of it in particular is fucking agonising.

      • kloipy says :

        yeah I didn’t like that episode. The shawshank one was probably the best of the three but I don’t think that says much. The Simpson’s version of the Shining was perfect

      • koutchboom says :

        Steve Heisler of The A.V. Club gave it a B+ and called the Stand by Me story “too earnest to turn into much of a comic romp” and that the gags in The Shawshank Redemption were “too expected”. He called Misery a “hoot”, stating: “Anything where Brian is held in the palm of diabolical Stewie works wonders for me”.

        First off…umm there are people that review Family Guy episodes (how do I get that job???). Secondly, god you lot and comedy fucking just laugh for once. Yeah the episode wasn’t that great, and you could see the joke coming it was just a funny song they picked and what Cleveland said afterward. Also the bickering between Roy Schider and Richard Dryfuss was great, and the Wakeen joke.

    • kloipy says :

      Koutch- it’s really incredible how it just throws you right into the story. I showed it to my wife for the first time a few years back. She didn’t have any desire to watch it but by the end of it she was moved

  4. koutchboom says :

    Also I hope Running Man is part of this series.

    • Droid says :

      I’m doing The Running Man for the Arnie series. Maybe Kloipy you could do the book? Its not very long (if you haven’t read it already).

    • kloipy says :

      I was gonna skip that one since Droid’s Arnie series. All I’ll say on it is the story is MUCH better and completely different from the movie.

      • Jarv says :

        That’s a really good idea- book v movie.

      • kloipy says :

        Yeah, maybe I’ll write up a short review on the book. Seriously it is nothing like the movie at all.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah I like that idea as well! I remember my dad gave me the Bachman book with the short story in it to read like forever ago. Wonder if I still have it. I never read it.

      • Droid says :

        I’ve read the book and yes, it’s a lot different.

      • kloipy says :

        Out of the Bachman stuff and honestly on of my favorites of Stephen King’s work is The Long Walk. If you haven’t read it, definitely do so

  5. koutchboom says :

    WOW! I didn’t realize what a huge fucking flop this film was in theaters. $25 million budget, $28,341,469 take. MAN. For some reason I thought it had done well in theaters.

    • Jarv says :

      strange isn’t it. Once you factor in the Theatre’s take and marketing it lost about 20m.

      • Tom_Bando says :

        No Country for Old Men was fine, not one I need to revisit though.

        Green Mile I liked.

        Shawshank never did it for me. Sorry.

        Oddly enough I found I liked Amistad and was fully ready to loathe it, just because. Parts of it worked better than others, certainly-but it’s pretty good.

        Running Man is fun. Splitting Headache, Richard Dawson, etc. Good times.

        Family Guy-well the baby and the dog are okay but that’s about it.

    • koutchboom says :

      Hahahah jeez. Ed Wood got its wide release the same weekend as Shawshank. While The Specialist and The River Wild ruled the box office. Talk about ummm something. River is ok at least but jeez, like any film lover at that time that had seen those movies most’ve wondered what the fuck was wrong with America.

      • Jarv says :

        I fell asleep in the Specialist. Rubbish, dull crap.

      • Droid says :

        Thats why they hardly ever make films like Shawshank and Ed Wood anymore. No fucker goes to see them.

      • koutchboom says :

        Well that and it takes a special director to make a movie like those.

        I would throw No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood into that category and they were hits at the box office.

        Recently A Prophet was at that level as well. They still make movies that good, just you need a director will to make it happen.

      • Droid says :

        No Country is not in the same league as Ed Wood or Shawshank.

        I’m not saying they never get made. Just not very often compared to generic crap.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m the only person on the planet that didn’t like No Country.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ehhh I don’t like No Country that much either. But when I watched it a second time I realized just how good it really was. I mean that movie is very out of touch with movie making sensibilites of most movies these days. Its a classic movie that will probably only get better with time.

      • Jarv says :

        I’ve got it at home and made it precisely half way through before giving up with boredom. I haven’t liked a Coen Brothers film in a long fucking time.

      • Droid says :

        I’m a big fan of McCarthy, and the film is very close to the book in terms of the plot. I prefer the book by a long way though. Not that the film is bad, just that I think it worked better on the page.

      • Jarv says :

        I should probably revisit it.

      • kloipy says :

        I loved NCFOM. I love the look of the movie. I can understand why you didn’t like it though Jarv. But I will stand by as Koutch said that it gets better. I liked A Serious Man but didn’t think it was great. Coen’s are so hit and miss. I love, Lebowski, Fargo, Blood Simple, Millers Crossing, Raising Arizona, but the rest are either just ‘ok’ or ‘hated’

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah like I said Jarv. I’m not a huge fan of the movie, when I first saw it I hated it. But going back and re watching it I was able to recognize it’s greatness. It’s still not a movie I whole heartedly enjoy, but I respect it.

      • Tom_Bando says :

        Ed Wood rocks. Very good flick.

  6. kloipy says :

    On the list for reveiw
    The Mist
    The Shining
    Pet Semetary
    Stand By Me
    Children of the Corn (only the first one)
    Maxium Overdrive (possibly)
    Secret Window
    The Night Flier
    Dolores Claiborne
    and perhaps some of the TV minis

    • kloipy says :

      and if there’s anything you guys want to see me do a write up on, let me know

      • Jarv says :

        The Dark Half.
        The Dead Zone

        I toyed with TDZ for an Underrated and couldn’t be arsed in the end.

      • kloipy says :

        I’ll add those to the list. I really loved The Dead Zone, and I actually don’t think The Dark Half is all that bad

    • Droid says :

      Was Secret Window the one with Depp? Fucking hell that movie was abysmal. Really fucking bad.


      • kloipy says :

        Droid- that is Secret Window. And I agree
        I think I’ll disappoint with my IT review. I LOVE that book but I recently watched the mini again and it doesn’t hold up. Other than Tim Curry as Pennywise, there are some parts of that adaptation that are really dreadful.

      • Droid says :

        I haven’t seen IT since I was about 10. I just remember that fucking clown in the storm drain, the message in blood when the bloke kills himself and the giant spider which looked really fucking fake even as a 10 year old.

        That clown though. Fucking hell. Scared the shit out of me.

      • kloipy says :

        Droid, Pennywise the Clown is still fucking scary. Something about that painted face with the giant sharp teeth. It’s almost a primordial fear.

    • koutchboom says :

      I can’t wait for Dreamcatcher. I like that movie I know its stupid but it’s fun.

      Also I rented (and bought at the same time???) Heart’s in Atlantis thinking that it was something to actually DO with Atlantis. When I slept through the entire movie I wondered why I was stupid enough to buy the book. Is it worth reading? Is their anything in it to do with Atlantis???

      • Jarv says :

        As I remember-No.

        There’s a whole slew of 80’s King adaptations that are complete garbage- The Tommyknockers for example.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m like that with Needful Things. Max von Sydow FTW!

      • kloipy says :

        sorry to say Koutch but I’m probably going to pull a ‘shit weasel’ on that one and tear that movie a new asshole.
        I think it was a bad idea to make Hearts in Atlantis into a movie. The movie is actually based on only one of the stories called “Low Men in Yellow Coats” and it ties into The Dark Tower series. The rest of the book deals with Vietnam. It’s really good but alas does not actually take place in Atlantis

      • kloipy says :

        Jarv- The Tommyknockers is TERRIBLE. That movie is such fucking shit. I will admit that I don’t think Needful Things is all that horrible. It is by no means good but it’s got some cool stuff in there

      • Jarv says :


        Fucking everything ties in with Gillead or whatever the fucking place was called.

      • Jarv says :

        Tommyknockers is a horrible book adapted badly.

        Jimmy Smits was diabolical in it- at no point did I buy him as an alcoholic failed poet.

      • koutchboom says :

        Naw it’s cool. I fully understand how stupid Dreamcatcher is.

        Yeah I remember being soooo excited about a movie ABOUT ATLANTIS!!! I was like, how have i never heard of this!!! Then I was asleep about five minutes into it, woke up right before the end god soo fucking mad I just returned it not even bothering to try to watch it again. Probably the only Anthony Hopkins movie I hate.

      • Droid says :

        You haven’t seen enough Hopkins.

      • kloipy says :

        What I will say for Dreamcatcher is that if you add the Benny Hill Theme to it, it could quite possibly be one of the funniest movies ever made

      • koutchboom says :

        Maybe I should do a semi selective Anthony Hopkins series? FUCK he’s probably done like 100 films though.

      • Jarv says :


        Hannibal, Red Dragon, Picasso, MI2, Remains of the Day, The Road to Wellville, Legends of the Fall, Meet Joe Black, Instinct.

        All complete and utter shit, and that’s just off the top of my head.

        And he’s welsh

      • koutchboom says :

        FUCK ME!!! He’s a Welshmen? God how come he doesn’t sound like retard when he talks though?

        Awww come on The Road to Wellville shit???

        “with no more odor than a warm biscuit.”

      • Jarv says :


        I stand by that. Shit subject matter, boringly handled.

      • kloipy says :

        I’ll probably catch shit for this but I really like Hannibal. All the others I agree with you on.

      • koutchboom says :

        Naw Wellville is too odd to be boring.

      • Droid says :

        Hannibal is Top 10 most hated films for me. Its fucking shit.

      • Jarv says :

        The problem with Hannibal is that the book was terrible- diabolically bad, so they had no room with the film.

        The last act of the book, brainwashing starling before sitting down to eat Krendler was juvenile, moronic shite, and there was no way to excise it from the film.

        Julianne Moore (one of my most hated actresses) was woeful in it, reprising her wailing that grated with me so badly in magnolia. Hopkins had cheese turned to stun. The only person to emerge with any credit was Oldman.

      • kloipy says :

        Yeah, i know it’s not a great movie. I knew going into that comment I was burying myself, but I promise I do have good taste in movies. But we all slip up from time to time haha

      • kloipy says :

        at least the movie didn’t end like the book with Clairice falling in love with Lecter and running off into the sunset with him

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      • Jarv says :

        Funnily enough, the very end of it is something else I hate.

        He’s the world’s most recognisable serial killer, and he’s sitting on a plane and the kid comes up to him and asks him if he can try the pack lunch and Hopkins like the world’s sickest grandpa gives him some of Liotta’s brain with a twinkle in his eye.


        I do agree that the ending of the book is worse, though.

      • kloipy says :

        the one thing the book does better is at least points out that Hannibal got plastic surgery so people wouldn’t recognize him. So seeing him board the plane no trouble is awfully stupid.


        Not only is Hannibal the best looking of the trilogy– it is by far the most entertaining.

        Its a fucked up love story really, a true work of art, and the only film of the series I ever care to revisit.

      • Continentalop says :

        Danny, I found it to be a morally repugnant film where Thomas Harris sided with a sick killer just because he had become the public’s darling. And considering the fact Mr. Harris did research and saw crime photos and reports on real serial killers who he used as templates for Lecter, turning him into the protagonist and someone to root for was just disgusting IMO.

        Foster did a smart thing staying away.

  7. Droid says :

    One fucking word…


  8. Continentalop says :

    You know I am going to get ripped for this (which is why I am posting this late) but this film never worked for me. Yeah, I can understand why people like it but for me it didn’t feel authentic at all and that prevented me from liking it. The fact that Andy is white and Red is black just said “Hollywood BS” to me. In prison, you are forced to be segregated.
    Not saying it is a bad film, but just something that I couldn’t buy.

    • kloipy says :

      while I disagree Conti, your opinion is valuable. In the original story Red is white

      • Continentalop says :

        Yeah, I remember that kloipy. Like I said, I don’t think it is a bad movie but something I just couldn’t suspend my disbelief about.
        Ok, I a bigot.


      You couldn’t suspend your disbelief over a character’s ethnicity? Really?

      This isn’t Mickey Rooney in fucking yellow-face we’re talking about here.

      And Darabont’s worlds are never realistic. They’re always a romanticized Norman Rockwell Americana.

      • Continentalop says :

        Danny, it is just that I know how prisons operate. They are based exclusively on race.
        And after my 32 day stint at LA County, I really couldn’t suspend my disbelief and the film became even harder for me to buy.

      • koutchboom says :

        Present day LA = 1940s Maine. That’s the truth.

      • Continentalop says :

        You think Maine in 1940s was somehow more progressive there K-Boom? Maybe take a history lesson.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ummm there is no racism in Maine? Have you ever been there? It sucks so much shit no one gives a crap enough to hate each other. Its the friendliest place on earth.

      • Continentalop says :

        Well, it is the whitest state in the Union. If it was so accepting, you think black folks would be swarming there.

        Of course, historically they haven’t been that accepting of other people (the evicting of a mixed-race community of Malaga Island for example).

      • Continentalop says :

        And I am not saying the need race based prison gangs, like in LA. But fuck, they have a bunch of Bull Queens going around raping people yet they don’t have anyone who is a racist? Who says something negative towards Red or hates him because he is black? And it is set in the 1940s and 50s?
        Bunch of enlightened peckerwoods if you ask me.

      • koutchboom says :

        Naw, no way far too cold in the winter.

      • koutchboom says :

        That really bugs me about prison. Its sounds like a lot of stupid work. Why can’t you just go to prison do your time and be done with it? Its just annoying, to have to try to fit in and be cool. Why can’t people just go there and behave? I’m mean prison could be a really cool place if people weren’t such fucking dick holes. Like you can just sit around and play sports all day? Sure it would suck and all after some time, but really who cares?

      • Continentalop says :

        Because it is prison K-Boom. The guys there are not the nicest bunch.
        Plus I once read an interesting article about how Public High Schools and Prisons are a lot alike (just that Prison doesn’t have a prom and they shank people instead of spread malicious rumors and gossip).

      • koutchboom says :

        NO WAY!!!! I thought it was because they were forced to?

      • koutchboom says :

        Its just people inability to be alone with their thoughts.

        Especially now in todays computer age prisoners don’t even have to interact. I’m all for non interaction unless they can get along. Its just lazyness on their part if they go crazy and can’t handle it. Prison should be treated like highschool, they should go to classes/work get breaks and then play sports in the afternoon, bed by 9.

      • Tom_Bando says :

        Grew up on Maine. Yeah this was meant to be Thomaston State Prison, which is now (fortunately) gone-gone. Big ugly brick thing that was smack in the middle of a 3000 person town right on Rt 1. For your scenic viewing pleasure, the Henry Knox mansion is just over the hill from it, followed by a nice jaunt between Craters 1 and Two of Dragon Cement, both sides of the Highway. Nice.

        Maine has racists oh yeah. It’s the whitest state in the country(even more so than NH, VT or ND from what I hear), and it shows.

        Black dude in Thomaston Pen in the ’40’s–he would have been beat like a kaffir mule in S. Africa during the Biko riots, no two ways about it. Very very nasty.

        But that’s why they make these here flights of fantasy flicks, you know. Happy endings and all.


    I would say I enjoy ‘Green Mile’ more than Shawshank.

    Obviously its the more far-fetched, fanciful, fluffier of the two. But I think it also hits harder in key moments. Shawshank is good, but I never really felt for Robbins. I thought the other characters were handled better, and you cared for each of them more than him. It has to do with his self confidence, maybe thats the whole point…he doesn’t want anyone feeling sorry for him, so why should we– the viewer?

    • kloipy says :

      Danny, I go back and forth over these two movies. I do love the Green Mile and I agree with what you are saying. Hanks character is an honest man trying to right in the small way he can. I think I’ll write one up about ‘Mile’ as well


        I saw it in its entirety for the first time recently.

        Over the years I’d just seen the first half or the last 15 minutes or something. Its a very good film with tremendous acting. Really the only thing that gives it that Hallmark quality, is the soft/diffused photography and the set design. Nothing is dirty. Everything is immaculate and polished, which takes it further from realism and more into a romantic portrayal of the period where a man like Hanks can be a genuinely honorable person that respects every inmate on death row. Its interesting to make men awaiting the death sentence for murders and rapes, such sympathetic characters, and it would only work in this romanticized Darabont-like world. The Graham Greene story about being in love and sleeping outside, he recounts the nicest memory of his life right before he is about to die. That shit was fucking excellent.


        I just dont think there’s anything in Shawshank that comes close to Michael Clarke’s execution scene. That shit hits like a brick in your fucking face. That concept that he is so pure good, the world is just too painful a place for him any longer, and he welcomes death as an escape. FUCK!

        P.S. Kloipy– How is your youngling?

      • kloipy says :

        agreed Danny. I mean it’s known that Darabont is a fanatic over the gold age of cinema and he brings that to most of his films. It does seem to give them a timeless quality. Hanks is great in it too. I love his speech with Coffey about how he will explain this to his children.

      • kloipy says :

        Yeah Danny and when he’s talking about the little girls letting themselves die because of their love for each other and how it happens all over the world all the time. Gut punch on that one. I definitely didn’t leave the theater with dry eyes on this movie
        The Kloipette is doing most excellent. She’s turning 17 months in a few days. She loves to dance and is addicted to Elmo

      • Continentalop says :

        “That concept that he is so pure good, the world is just too painful a place for him any longer, and he welcomes death as an escape.”
        Weren’t you the man who said he doesn’t need to see sad things because he has enough of it in his real life?


        I didn’t say that exactly Conti. I haven’t seen much sadness in my life. Really the saddest part was when my beloved wife told me to fuck myself.

        And I was speaking more of grim downright depressing shit, and this was all based on a discussion where you were getting a boner over downer endings cause they’re so bold. I’m just not impressed with shit being down just for the sake of being down, so people take it more seriously. I understand the most powerful films all have incredibly sad moments, like my favorite film Empire of The Sun. Filled with sad shit.

        With Green Mile, the idea of Michael Clarke is sad….the film as a whole is uplifting and ultimately shows the power of good, honest men– and thats the kinda shit that gets my dick hard.

      • kloipy says :

        and for what it’s worth the scene where Percy steps on the mouse made me want to punch that dick in the face. Possibly in real life as well


        Yeah, Michael Jeter is a God-damn Saint, and he was perfect in that role.

        The mouse was fucked– but worse than that when he tells him there’s no Mouseworld or whatever it is right as he’s about to die. Fuck that.

      • koutchboom says :

        Michael Jeter was queerer then the day is long, but he is still more of a man then Don Murphy will ever be.


        For the longest time I was trying to figure out who that Percy prick was until I realized it was the red-headed prick from Salton Sea, Lapag’s butt-buddy. He plays a damn good prick. But he’s also fucking good in ‘I Am Sam’ as one of Penn’s handicap friends. Versatile actor.

      • Continentalop says :

        My point, round about as it was to get to, that obviously certain types of films connect with you, emotionally, and other films don’t. You obviously can’t connect or relate to gangster films – you have said so in the past – and find the characters unlikable. Well the opposite is for me, that I can relate to a lot of gangster films and a lot of stuff you love I find to be to saccharin for my taste (EMPIRE OF THE SUN for example). To each their own.

        My only problem is this kind of insinuation that somehow I am at fault for not liking it. Sorry, but at least I am being honest what works or doesn’t work for me. We can only take out of a movie what we take in, so I am not going to nod my head yes when something just doesn’t feel “real” to me, and SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION did not feel real for me.


        Jeter’s shit in OPEN RANGE, when he reads Costner’s letter and that single tear falls off his face. FUCK!!! He is surely butt-fucking Liberace on the back of a unicorn right now….

      • koutchboom says :

        Your talking about the bad guy from Punisher War Zone.


        I’ve never once insinuated someone was wrong for not liking something I do, I’ll point out hypocrisies, or where I feel your argument is weak….but I don’t give a shit if anyone agrees.

        The only time I would be vocal about someone being at fault for not feeling the same way I do is when it comes to ass-fucking.


        Yeah– Doug Hutchinson….he’s the stupid crazy brother character in Punisher.

        He’s a good actor. But he is sadly wasted in shit like that.

      • koutchboom says :

        Naw he was starting the wild rumpus in that shit.

        He’s wasted doing the same fucking role in shit like that fucking movie I reviewed with him in it. Whatever its called.

      • Continentalop says :

        Taking it in the ass or fucking someone in the ass?


        Conti….RE: ASS FUCKING


        Just being positively open to ass-play. I DEMAND THIS.

      • Continentalop says :

        Sorry Danny, I can’t do it. Take it that is. You know why.


        I’ll say this Conti.

        Life seems to be made of a series of bad experiences which loosely connect like a box of old photographs. Some experiences are worse than others. Some experiences are so painful (emotionally as well as physically) that they seem to shut the door on the prospect of happiness or pleasure….for good. I’m just telling you this….no matter what happened, no matter how much it hurt. Always keep the door open a crack, and allow for that pleasant surprise where a little bit of light might shine through once more.

      • Continentalop says :

        I’ll keep that in mind.

    • Stuntcock Mike says :

      I never gave a shit about Robbins. Or Morgan either.

      However, Brooks Hatlen’s story breaks my fucking heart.

      • kloipy says :

        Yeah Mike, that story is heartbreaking. Just watching him on the outside is terribly sad

  10. Stuntcock Mike says :

    McShane did a spin on Brooks in Death Race except instead of hanging himself, he blew up the waxy Joan Allen.

  11. koutchboom says :

    I don’t know the change of Morgan Freeman’s character from white to black, seems like the change of Ripley from a man to a women. Just works better on screen. Sure it was bold and darring movie, but it paid off in spades.

  12. just pillow talk says :

    I love this flick. And I have no problem with the ending. There are movies that should have happy endings, and this is fucking one of them.

    The Green Mile is a good flick, though I prefer Shawshank.

  13. Jarv says :


    Have you ever read Brighton Rock- Best Greene book by a long fucking way. I’ve heard people wax lyrical over The Human Factor, or The End of the Affair or The Comedians, but nothing really comes close to the elegant brutality of ‘Rock.

  14. ThereWolf says :

    Fantastic write-up that, Kloipy. Well played.

    I didn’t see ‘Shawshank’ until it hit video, but was already a fan of the short story. We were doing this at work the other day, going through King adaptions and we get to ‘Shawshank’ and it’s just us nodding sagely, going – “Yeh, top film…” Like there’s no need to qualify any further.

    The ending, to me, is essential, those two guys deserve to see each other again. I still want to know how Andy managed to stick that poster up over the hole in the wall again once he’d gone through…

    It’s a good film to put on when you’re feeling down. Instant lift.

    • kloipy says :

      Thanks Wolf, I hope you enjoy the rest of my write ups on the matter as well. I’m a huge SK fan (sounding like Annie Wilkes a bit here I know) and I hope to do right by this series

      • ThereWolf says :

        Oh, aye, I’m looking forward to all of them – even the ones I’m not a fan of!

        Steer clear of the Rose Red mini series though. That one stunk.

      • kloipy says :

        Wolf, I saw Rose Red, and I totally agree with you. I think it had some alright moments. But Nancy Travis was so fucking irratating I couldn’t take it

      • ThereWolf says :

        Nancy Travis has an absolute nightmare in it, true.

        There is some fun to be had watching Julian Sands. Unintentional fun. I’m sure he’s been tranquilized.

  15. xiphos0311 says :

    I’m going to agree with Conti here this film didn’t work for me. Part of the problem I admit is Tim Robbins. I can’t stand that motherfucker every time I see his smug fucking mug I want to rip out his throat and shit down his neck.

    I found the movie to be overtly manipulative and the only part I thought had any genuine sense of pathos and true emotional pain was when Brooks decided to check himself out. That whole sequence was ace.

    Other then that I thought Shawshank was a “greatest” hits of prison movie cliches but with better actors then usual.

    • ThereWolf says :

      Yeh, the Brooks sequence is excellent.

    • kloipy says :

      Xi, while I don’t agree, like I said with Conti, I value your opinion on it. Just to me it didn’t feel forced. Red and Andy weren’t instantly friends, it was a relationship built over time. It felt more real to me than half of the films out there when it comes to dealing with characters.

  16. xiphos0311 says :

    Green Mile failed because it had the “Serious thespian” version of Tom Hanks in it. If he played Paul Edgecomb like Rick Gassgo from Bachelor Party that would have rocked.

  17. Droid says :

    I like the Green Mile well enough, but I read the book(s) when they were released each fortnight (or month, I don’t remember) and really fucking enjoyed it. One of the best King books I’ve read for pure enjoyment. So while the film was good, it didn’t live up to the book.

    What does everyone have against Hanks? For the most part I like the guy.

    EDIT* If that didn’t make sense, the book was released in a series of parts.

  18. xiphos0311 says :

    Good Tom Hanks=everything before he decided he was an “actor”. Which means everything up till he won his first Oscar. After that well let’s just say I’ll pass but everything before that is good.

    • Jarv says :

      Including Philadelphia.

      I actually like early Hanks stuff. It’s everything since. I honestly can’t think of a post Philly film that I’ve liked him in.

    • Droid says :

      Is it because he started doing more serious “acting” roles and you didn’t like that he wanted to do that? Or do you like none of the films he’s made since, say… Philidelphia? (apart from Saving Private Ryan of course)

      Just curious…

    • xiphos0311 says :

      After thinking he was an “actor” everything he did was just a version of “Tom Hanks starring in a Tom Hanks Production of Tom Hanks written and directed by Tom Hanks.” Nothing bad about that if you like it I just find it uninteresting and boring.

      All his blatant Oscar bait roles are so one note and one dimensional that they are an insult to one notes and single dimensions everywhere.

      However Bachelor Party, Volunteers, Splash, Neighbors and Bosom Buddies are really good and Hanks was great in those roles.

      • Droid says :

        But, from a purely career longevity perspective, that shift away from comedy is very savvy. How many comedic actors have long careers? Not many. He couldn’t go on making Bachelor Party type comedies forever. I think many of the films he’s made post-Philidelphia have been good. (As I have listed)

        My favourite Hanks flick is probably Big.

      • koutchboom says :

        Ehhhh Big felt to Oscar baity for me.

      • koutchboom says :


      • Droid says :

        “Big felt too Oscar baity”

        I suspect you’re joking (but I can never tell with you). Either you are, or you’ve lost your fucking mind.

      • koutchboom says :

        Yeah I’m joking I love BIG, but he was nominated for an Oscar for it. So you can sort of say he was chasing the dream from everything between Big and Philly.

      • koutchboom says :

        Hmmmm the guy who wrote big Gary Ross, has a pretty solid career:

        The Tale of Despereaux (2008) (writer)
        Seabiscuit (2003) (screenplay)
        Pleasantville (1998) (written by)
        Lassie (1994) (written by)
        Dave (1993) (written by)
        Mr. Baseball (1992) (screenplay)

        which gives me hope for Creature from the Black Lagoon (2011)

        and Directed:

        That’s gotta be one of the most solid careers I’ve ever seen.

      • Droid says :

        Wasn’t he hired to write and direct the Venom movie? That shit will never get made.

        Yeah, there’s some decent stuff on there. Seabiscuit is awesome. Pleasantville I really liked until I saw it again about 6 months ago, and I didn’t think it held up that well. Dave is okay. I love Big. Despereux is okay. Haven’t seen Mr Baseball (Selleck?) or Lassie.

      • Jarv says :

        solid mediocrity.

        Is there one film there that you’d honestly go out of your way to see?

      • koutchboom says :

        Man Jarv you are in a pissy mood today.

        Dave? I fucking love Dave.

        Pleasantville is a great movie (i think it holds up I saw it not too long ago as well).

        Seabuiscuit was solid.

        Mr. Baseball is a great movie.

        Big? Umm yeah.

        Lassie and Despereuex never saw.

        I was just pointing that he doesn’t seem to have a steaming pile of shit which is something you don’t see often. Unless Lassie is fucking awful.

      • Jarv says :

        Seabiscuit was shite, Dave was quite good, but I wouldn’t rush to see it again, ditto pleasantville.

        They’re all (aside from airbiscuit) OK to middling films.

        Still, he’s not exactly Don Murphy is he?

      • Droid says :

        Seabiscuit was not shite, you black hearted cretin.

      • Jarv says :

        You’re right. I’m probably being a bit generous.

      • Droid says :

        Aah… That old chestnut.


        Of course Jarv doesn’t like Seabiscuit.

        If its animals or children, he automatically despises it. Why even bother watching the shit? Thats what I wanna know.

  19. Droid says :

    Post Phili films I like…

    Apollo 13
    Toy Story
    That Thing You Do
    Toy Story 2
    The Green Mile
    Cast Away

    • Jarv says :

      Toy Story 1 and 2 I do like, but don’t count them as they’re animation.

      Don’t like Appollo 13, detest That Thing You Do and Castaway and am completely meh about The Green Mile.

      Also seriously dislike The Terminal and Catch me if You Can, the less said about the Dan Brown films the better, I don’t like that fucking Mendes Road to Turdition.


    Tom Hanks is a fucking powerhouse. He’s got some shit like Polar Express, Lady Killers, and Bonfire of The Vanities…..but that career is consistent as fuck. In all honesty he probably has more films I would watch this second than Harrison Ford does.

    Gary Ross is also good. Seabiscuit is a tremendous film. Anyone who doesn’t like it hates themselves and most likely their fucking mother.

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