Before Sunrise (1995)

Director: Richard Linklater

Starring: Ethan Hawke, Julie Delpy

Release date: January 27 (US). Compiling this list, they were just titles on a screen; I could only guess the content. For this, I guessed vampires. May contain slavering blood stained fangs and spoilers…

Have you ever been out with a mate who pulls and you don’t? The three of you are at a table, those two are making baby noises at each other while you play the gooseberry. Eventually, you do one of those “Y’know what, I’m just nipping to the phone a minute…” (coz this is back in the day, right) and they don’t even notice you’re gone. That’s what watching Before Sunrise feels like. 20-30 minutes in you can go off and do whatever needs doing round yer crib, come back around the 85-90 minute-mark and do a “Hey, how you kids getting on?” You won’t have missed anything of great importance. You’ve all done this stuff, haven’t you, maybe not in Vienna, but somewhere. You’ve had these conversations. You may even curl up on a comfy sofa with your partner and say; “Oh my god, this is so like us…” And so it may be, but do you really need two actors to play out what you’ve already lived? Pardon me but no, you don’t.

He’s dead funny when he wafts his hands around

Jesse gets lucky enough to have pretty Celine sit opposite him on a train. It’s recognisable; this kinda shizzle happens in real life, meet a stranger on a trip and get chatting. They wander to the buffet car and start talking about rock all. Celine says the ‘F’ word; edgy or what. They continue to talk about rock all, none of it information I would regard as crucial to getting to know these people. His stop arrives, Vienna, and on a whim he asks Celine to get off the train with him even though she’s going home to Paris. She agrees – odd, coz I had her down as intelligent. I mean, he could be a killer rapist, or worse (he’s worse). They get on a tram and play a ‘question’ game where they ask each other quirky personal questions, about first sexual experience and love. It’s so sweet. I’ve done this too. Talking, talking… A record shop! I’ve done this as well, Jesse and Celine are treading the same well worn path of lovers the world over. She puts on a record and it’s really cool because the lyrics are about them, it’s now their song, when they hear it on the radio they will think of each other. I nearly cried. They look uncomfortable, perhaps one of them has farted and the other doesn’t want to say anything. But I don’t think Jesse or Celine have ever farted in their lives.

The police warn women about doing this kind of stupid thing

“Look, there’s a rabbit!”

We share Celine’s excitement. They stroll through a graveyard – incredible, I’ve done that too. How does Mr Linklater know about these moments from my life? He is a visionary, like Zack Snyder. Luckily, they find a Fun Fair to lift the stench of death, a Ferris Wheel, a setting sun over a beautiful city… a tremulous kiss. Ooooh, close, Link-face; mine was on the Ghost Train. Jesse and Celine are having such a laugh at the Fun Fair I want to be there, I’m jealous and I’m starting to detest Jesse and his creaking leather jacket (cue Queen – I see a little leather jacket on a man – Scaramouche! Scaramouche! I will kick his feckin face in!) A café now.. oh, brilliant, a gypsy palm reader – who doesn’t love a good palm reading, eh. She likes the look of Celine’s lines; she sees the ‘power of the woman’ there. Deep, innit.

“You’re both stardust… heh-heh-heh…”

Well that was money well spent.

“Erm… oh, I know – how long did it take you to grow that stylish goatee?”

They have a look at some artwork on a poster and Celine ruminates on the artist’s particular style; “Human figures are so transitory…” She’s right isn’t she. It’s clever because she doesn’t just mean the art work, but life in general. We are. I particularly feel transitory when I’m on the bus going to work. Ah, a church now, still and ethereal. Celine feels older while Jesse feels younger. She observes that on the Ferris Wheel she felt like an older woman kissing a young boy. I’m glad she shared that with us. Sicko.

“This is a horrible story.” Preach it, brother!

(Parp…)

They wander along the river bank and meet an enterprising vagrant who, instead of flogging a Big Issue at them, will write a poem for cash based around a word of their choice. Can’t say I’ve ever encountered a similarly inspired Manc tramp, though a lady-friend and I were once serenaded by one. I say ‘sing’, it was more an elongated gurgle somewhere in the vicinity of Whiter Shade Of Pale. Jesse and Celine choose the word ‘milkshake’. The bum scribbles his poem and it’s amazing, because it’s really all about Jesse and Celine, just like their record. Vienna is their canvas; the city exists only for them. It’s delightful. I glance at the running time – 50 minutes… there’s another 46 still to go. Ah, here we go, a dingy and dangerous looking club. Of course, Before Sunrise… it’s about vampires, this is where the film will take a dramatic left turn, this is where the vampires feed, Celine is in mortal danger… They play pinball.

“Tell me about your ex-boyfriend.”

“No, it’s boring.”

Yes it is, so don’t. But of course she will. They talk of personal break-ups with significant others while the pinball machine clunks away endlessly. I’m starting to despise Celine as well now. And off they go, walking and talking about rock all again…

Look, he’s doing that hand thing again, it’s feckin hilarious!

“There are these breeds of monkey who have sex all the time.”

If only these two dullards could listen to themselves. Mr Linklater, I know we lovers talk absolute drivel to one another but understand, it’s different, speaking it and having to listen to somebody else speaking it. And now we get to the ‘gender war’ conversation; can one gender survive without the other? Come on, who hasn’t had this playful ding-dong? Jesse and Celine are us, it’s like looking at a snapshot of past loves and losses. As they stand watching a belly dancer, you cannot help but watch that belly dancer through their eyes. What do they (we) see? A wobbly belly. Nice eatery now – Austrians talking in German… what are they saying? Are they having the same conversations as Jesse and Celine? She’s imitating a telephone – good, it’s just like a real telephone. Oh, I get it, it’s an imaginary call to a friend and he’s playing the friend. This is ingenious because she can now tell him everything she wants to say to him so that he knows how she feels about him. He’s doing it now! Rather than just say “I’ve fallen in love with you”, have an imaginary phone call with them. Why have I never thought of that?

“I thought everything I said was stupid.” Nice one, Sherlock. 70 minutes.

She’s thinking – ‘I could be back in Paris now…’

A boat restaurant now, they’re talking about death again and saying goodbye. They say goodbye to each other even though they aren’t going yet. It’s so they don’t have to say goodbye when it’s time to say goodbye. Another bar, Jesse somehow blags a free bottle of red wine from an understanding barman. Celine robs two glasses off a table and they go to a park and drink and lie on the grass looking up at the moon. It’s beautiful. She doesn’t want to shag him because they’ll never see each other again but she does want to shag him really and he definitely wants to shag her. What a pair of dismal, pretentious cunts. I think they do bump ‘em, or maybe it’s just a heavy snogging session. Go on, I’ll stick my knob out and say they bumped ‘em. Sunrise… a harpsichord plays and they stop to listen. It’s a lovely moment. Jesse imitates Dylan Thomas – it’s better than his telephone impression. Goodbye… though they don’t know whether to meet again, but they do want to meet again, just both were afraid to say so, but they can’t decide when – I think they start at 10 years and knock each other down to 6 months, it’s like haggling in an Egyptian bazaar, or not as I’ve never done it so it might not be – but they’re not going to call or write to each other because that’s “boring”. Morons. Swap phone numbers and call each other when you get home and stop being such soul-sapping, quasi-existential cock sockets.

Mind you don’t fall…

The camera visits all the places they’ve been to in Vienna, now empty and poignant. I’m empty and poignant too.

 

Trailer: http://tinyurl.com/c5r34m

 

Before Sunrise can have 2 With Love From Wolfs out of 5.

 

 

Cheers, folk.

ThereWolf, May 2012

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102 responses to “Before Sunrise (1995)”

  1. Droid says :

    Wow. This is some snarky review, wolf. Can’t really say I agree here. I love this movie. Each to their own I suppose.

  2. tombando says :

    Never saw it, Giant robots needed?

  3. Xiphos0311 says :

    Jesus that sounds fucking awful glad I avoided it all these years. In fact that sounds like the worst sort of torture porn two smug pretentious cretins wandering around in a look at how awesome we are movie.

    • Jarv says :

      It’s not that bad. The sequel is a lot better.

      Don’t under any circumstances, however, touch 2 days in Paris (or I’d suspect, 2 Days in New York) which is exactly what you’re talking about.

      • Xiphos0311 says :

        I think I would rather watch 90 minutes of twats getting dismembered then to sit through 90 minutes of twats thinking they are fabulous while strolling around major cities.

    • ThereWolf says :

      That’s about right, Xi. I do concede I may have overdone the sarcasm.

      Me, I couldn’t find anything to like about those two characters.

      I’m amazed there’s a sequel.

  4. ThereWolf says :

    All right, I’ve just checked IMDB…

    It would appear that I am in the minority and that ‘Before Sunrise’ is a work of genius. High scores all round. Apparently, I really HAVE been a dick!

    • Jarv says :

      Nah. I do that all the time.

    • Xiphos0311 says :

      Don’t do that Wolf don’t be part of the crowd. Be your own man walk your own road and relish the thought of you being right and everybody else is wrong.

      • ThereWolf says :

        No, I’m sticking to me guns, Xi. I’m just amazed at how popular the film is.

      • Jarv says :

        I quite like it, to be honest. I don’t think it’s as good as reported, but I don’t find it hateful.

        The sequel is better for a few reasons. One of which is that it looks back at mistakes they’ve made rather than winsome youthful love stuff. Hawke is more world weary and clearly in a dead marriage. It’s also obvious that he’s carrying a torch for her for all this time (fuck knows why). Admittedly, it does allow her to sing, which is a bit hateful, but you can’t have everything.

        2 Days in Paris exists because someone told Delpy she can write. She can’t. It’s fucking AWFUl shite and if you think they’re hateful in Sunrise/ Sunset, then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

        Refusing to watch 2 Days in New York.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t think the sequel is “better”. It’s simply different. You may think the sequel is better because you now identify with Jesse in Sunset, than in Sunrise. I like her song. Why the hell are people becoming so goddamn bitter? Is being bitter très cool now?

        From the sounds of Wolfs review, I actually think he and 2 Days in Paris is a much better pairing. Misery loves company.

  5. Droid says :

    This review has entirely missed the point of the film. It’s not about you. It’s not attempting to capture familiar experiences so you can say “incredible, I’ve done that too. How does Mr Linklater know about these moments from my life? He is a visionary, like Zack Snyder. This film captures youth on the cusp of adulthood. It’s about the time during your life, in your early 20’s, when you’ve broken free of learning, and starting to experience. It’s about the brief time in your life when it’s all ahead of you, and you’re full of hope and enthusiasm. You’re still innocent, and naive enough to believe that everything will work out perfectly (as represented by the decision they make at the end of the film). It’s the fleeting last moments when life still holds that idealic potential. It’s all out there for you to discover, and these two characters represent that.

    In the next few years life smacks you in the face with reality. It’s why the sequel to this, made 10 years later, is so honest. These two characters have aged 10 years, and they’re the same, but they’ve changed. They’re faded versions of Jesse and Celine from this film.

    No offence intended here, but to me, this review reads like it’s from someone who has gone through that time in their life, and has since become incredibly jaded and bitter. The cynicism displayed on every line of the review is startling. What has happened in the intervening years? It’s not that it’s a negative review, each to their own, it’s that every single thing in the film is scoffed at. It actually makes me a little sad.

    • Jarv says :

      Not to speak for Wolf here, but I think he fundamentally hates the two characters. While some of it is terribly contrived (the phone call), and loses the naturalistic feel of a lot of the film, if you think Jesse is a pretentious cockwomble, then you’re going to struggle listening to him talk for an hour and a half.

      I like this film, but vastly prefer the sequel.

      • Jarv says :

        I don’t identify with him in Sunset.

        Not in the slightest. I think, actually, what has happened to him in the intervening years is a bit sad and miles from my experience.

        It’s nothing to do with being bitter- and Sunset has the contrived “happy” ending.

      • Droid says :

        Don’t be so defensive. I don’t mean you identify with his experiences. I mean that you recognise, and understand them. And therefore you identify his situation, what his life has become, and you sympathise with him on that level.

        My life doesn’t resemble his, but I still do this.

      • Jarv says :

        I actually have a pretty unique level of sympathy towards him in Sunset. I think it’s kind of sad that he’s carried a torch for an ideal for over 10 years that never existed and couldn’t possibly have.

        As such, he’s married badly, spawned out of obligation, and his entire career is based on a novel telling an idealistic night that he experienced back in the past. Dude never moved on.

        To me, that’s sad. Also, I really do not like Celine in that film, and I think the end, while winsome and wistfully hopeful is almost tragic- he’s making a hell of a mistake, and you can see it coming from early on. You can also feel that she has moved on.

        On her, it’s interesting for me that her life is essentially a series of mistakes. She’s gone to that bookshop to try to recapture one of the better memories she has.

        I think that’s an astounding film, actually. Much deeper than Sunrise.

        Wasn’t being defensive, although I will say that it’s very cruel to inflict 2 Days in Paris on anybody.

      • Droid says :

        I will say that it’s very cruel to inflict 2 Days in Paris on anybody

        It seems to me, on this evidence, like they’d make a good match.

      • Jarv says :

        How far through it did you make it?

      • Droid says :

        10 or 15 minutes. I’m leaning towards 10.

      • Jarv says :

        Then you didn’t experience the horror of her throwing herself at her ex boyfriend for no good reason.

        She’s like a horribly amped up version of Celine. Really awfully accelerated with none of the restraint Linklater puts on her.

        And there’s far too many cock shots of Goldberg (admittedly one would be too many, but there are loads).

        2 Days in Paris should be banned under the Geneva Convention.

      • Jarv says :

        In fact, 2 Days in Paris actually makes me like Sunrise and Sunset a bit less. It’s desperately trying to be those films, but as Delpy is in total control it’s a monumentally obnoxious eulogy to herself.

        It, actually, pisses me off how much of a cunt she is in that film. She’s just so god damned unreasonable, and doesn’t seem to understand why what she’s doing is wrong. Delpy plays her like Celine as well- with the same mannerisms, speech patterns and the rest of it.

      • Droid says :

        You’ve got 2 Days in New York to review as well. I haven’t forgotten about it.

      • Jarv says :

        I can’t. Seriously.

        It’ll make me dislike Sunrise and Sunset and I don’t want that.

        I wish she’d stop it, she’s ruining them.

      • Jarv says :

        Also, 2 Days in Paris is about a bitter and quite vicious break up. Sunrise upset Wolf for the audience 5th Wheeling at a burgeoning romance, Sunset is about lots of different things, but contains that optimisim, whereas 2 Days is just pure venom on the screen.

      • Droid says :

        One shouldn’t have an effect on the other.

      • Jarv says :

        You’re right. It shouldn’t do. You need to see them to see why it does though.

        It’s her performance and character. I read an interview where she said that Linklater allowed her and Hawke to write a lot of the dialogue for Sunset. That then gave her the idea for 2 Days in Paris- which she wrote wholesale.

        Unfortunately, she’s basically turned Celine into a fucking twat (a real fucking twat), and plays it almost identically to Sunset. It’s painful to watch.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t think Celine has moved on. She’s just not as open about it as him. Remember, she knows that he’s married and has a child. So she’s come prepared, complete with emotional guard up. It takes the majority of the film for her to let her guard down, which culminates in the scene in the taxi.

        Before Sunset may be “deeper”, but that’s only because of the foundations of character and theme that Before Sunrise established. Sunset is brilliant because it develops them perfectly.

      • Jarv says :

        Yes, the foundations are set in Sunrise. They really do work as companion pieces.

        I always think there’s a level of desperation in that Taxi scene from her. It’s almost like this is her last chance. SPOILER She didn’t turn up at the station, remember, not him SPOILER OVER.

        She lives in a shitty run down bit of paris, she’s aged, and is heading for Spinsterhood. I bet you she thinks of that time as a big “What if”. She’s read the book, and by turning up at the reading, she knows that there’s a chance he’s still carrying the torch.

        I realise I’m painting her as villain, but I’m not meaning to, I actually feel sorry for her- think she’s a sad and lonely woman.

      • Droid says :

        Well, they’re both unhappy, and they’re both carrying a torch. Whether being together can magically make both their lives better is something I’m interested to see in the next one. If they can pull off a third one, I’ll be very surprised. And glad.

      • Jarv says :

        Where do you go, though? Bitter divorce land? I’d rather pass on that, and just leave it optimistic.

        I think 2 Days in Paris is what Before Lunch (or whatever) would be if not careful.

      • Jarv says :

        Also, I think they’ve both got different motivations. He’s got an idealistic vision of that night that has essentially emotionally crippled him since, whereas she’s got a fond memory that she’s trying to recapture as her life is such a disaster*. I don’t think being together is a panacea, though.

        *I’m sure she says words to the effect that her life is an utter mess. I know he does.

      • Droid says :

        I think she says her relationships since have been a mess.

      • Jarv says :

        She’s also skint, and in a dead end job.

        Something like that. I’ll rewatch it.

      • Droid says :

        I’m very interested in seeing “Boyhood”, which is Linklater, Hawke and Patricia Arquette. It’s been shot over 12 years, as their kid aged 6 grows up to 18. The same kid over the 12 years.

        It started in 2002, so should be out in 2014-15.

      • Jarv says :

        I’m not.

        We get 7-Up inflicted on us every 7 years here, and it always bores me. Also, it’s a lot of stress for a child actor, which can potentially be disastrous, and I don’t want to sit there hating a child in a linklater film.

      • Droid says :

        Eh. It’s not the same as 7-Up. And you don’t want to see a film because it has the “potential” of a bad performance?

        Why not never watch any film you haven’t seen ever again? Because it has a potentially bad something or other. You could also never leave your flat, cork all the forks, get your hair and nails cut once per year and drink your own urine.

      • Jarv says :

        Not what I meant.

        I don’t like the idea, which screams 7up to me. I suspect I’ll be bored. Secondly, 12 years for any actor is a lot. However, with adults you can at least assess what you are likely to get. You can’t with kids. One of my biggest turn offs in a film is a grating child performance.

        I haven’t written it off totally, I just want to see a few clips with the kid in it to see what he’s like first.

        It’s the two things together that concern me.

        Also, I find Linklater a bit hit and miss. Like Sunrise and Sunset and D&C, didn’t like Slacker, hated Scanner Darkly.

      • Droid says :

        Linklater

        Slacker (1991) – Alright.
        Dazed and Confused (1993) – Great
        Before Sunrise (1995) – Great
        subUrbia (1996) – Okay
        The Newton Boys (1998) – Didn’t like
        Waking Life (2001) – Alright
        Tape (2001) – Good
        School of Rock (2003) – Good
        Before Sunset (2004) – Great
        Bad News Bears (2005) – Quite like
        A Scanner Darkly (2006) – Alright
        Fast Food Nation (2006) – Unseen
        Me and Orson Welles (2009) – Good
        Bernie (2011) – Unseen

        I mostly like him. The only one I really didn’t like was Newton Boys, which had potential but just fell flat.

      • Jarv says :

        Slacker (1991) – crap.
        Dazed and Confused (1993) – Great
        Before Sunrise (1995) – Good
        subUrbia (1996) – Don’t remember
        The Newton Boys (1998) – Don’t remember
        Waking Life (2001) – Don’t like
        Tape (2001) – Not seen
        School of Rock (2003) – OK
        Before Sunset (2004) – Great
        Bad News Bears (2005) – Meh
        A Scanner Darkly (2006) – Shite
        Fast Food Nation (2006) – Unseen
        Me and Orson Welles (2009) – Unseen
        Bernie (2011) – Unseen

        The only one I really hate is Scanner Darkly.

      • Droid says :

        I don’t know. Which is why I’m interested to see. Although I do agree that I’d rather they left it (fairly) open, as they have it now. But if they’re going to make it, then I’m interested in seeing where they go with it.

      • Droid says :

        Nope. Don’t think it’s contrived. And don’t find either of them remotely pretentious.

        Seriously, pick on a film that deserves it. This isn’t Hollywood Blvd hooker falls in love with millionaire fantasy horseshit here.

        It’s the sheer level of snide mockery in the review that’s my sticking point.

      • Jarv says :

        Some of it is- not all of it, and the bits that aren’t outweigh it by a long shot.

        I like this film, even if I’m ambivalent to the two characters.

      • Jarv says :

        This isn’t Hollywood Blvd hooker falls in love with millionaire fantasy horseshit here.

        Not a fair comparison. What you’ve said there is the romantic film equivalent of Transformers. Sunset and Sunrise are essentially naturalistic films with a lot of “real” dialogue and moments in them. Obviously, 12 hours in real life contains far more boredom than it does insight or touching moments, so they’re condensed to the “key” bits of the encounter.

        I genuinely like this film, and have no axe to grind with it.

      • Droid says :

        It’s a perfectly fair comparison. Wolf is having a go at the film for being romanticised claptrap. The jab about neither of them farting for example. So comparing the film to another romanticised claptrap is perfectly fair.

      • Jarv says :

        Different types though.

        I know what you’re saying, but one is intentionally realistic, albeit idealised, whereas the other is pure fantasy.

        Just Devil’s Advocating here- I have to stress that I do like this film.

      • Droid says :

        Are you trying to tell me Pretty Woman isn’t realistic?

      • Jarv says :

        Don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s the one I was talking about as being realistic.

        Hedge fund managers fall in love with hookers who teach them something about themselves every day, don’t you know. Whereas it’s absurd to think that anyone intentionally gets a train, and even more ridiculous that the person opposite you is attractive, and even more unlikely that you’d talk to them.

      • Droid says :

        hehehe

        Hedge fund managers and hookers are common. Not sure about the falling in love thing. Teaching them something about themselves is pure fantasy though. HFM’s aren’t self-aware enough to learn much about themselves.

  6. ThereWolf says :

    As I conceded above, I over-did the sarcasm and I got carried away with myself instead of simply reviewing, but there was no malicious intent involved. I honestly thought I was plainly being daft.

    It seems to me that watching the sequel (I won’t be doing) throws much of what sits behind Celine & Jesse into focus – seeing them as adults in ‘Sunset’, you then get a clear sense of what they were in ‘Sunrise’, kids on the ‘cusp of adulthood’, with all the hope and innocence, the potential in life. In my opinion, none of that comes through strongly on its own in ‘Sunrise’. The film is about two people meeting by chance on a train and falling in love, begins in fact with Celine making an unbelievably suicidal decision to get off said train with a complete stranger. The film concludes unsatisfactorily with them deciding not to contact each other because it’s “boring”. While on my rounds at work, I took the liberty of posing a question to several individuals, the question essentially being; ‘You meet a stranger on a train and on a whim spend the day with them. It’s just about the best day of your life and you fall in love. Then it’s time to go home, one of you lives in the USA, the other in Europe. When you’re on the platform/ at the airport sharing a goodbye kiss, what’s your next play?’

    The overwhelming answer wasn’t agreeing to meet back in the same place in x-amount of months. It was ‘exchange phone number/ address’. Irrelevant; how the film ends doesn’t matter – because it’s just a film and the director can do whatever he wants. I’m just the dumb old point-missing boy watching it. Having now read a number of fan comments, I did note that a fair few cited how much of what Celine & Jesse do and talk about mirrors that of their own relationships. I gave the film ‘2’ stars. I didn’t give it ‘1’ or ‘gorilla’ it. I gave it ‘2’ because I didn’t find ‘every single thing’ in ‘Sunrise’ scoffable and unfortunately I chose not to underline that fact. In a backhanded way, I respected the recognisable experiences of Celine & Jesse. Because it IS about that, the familiarity; Linklater has connected with his audience perfectly. Celine & Jesse only existed on a page in the first place because of us and the romantic ‘claptrap’ we get up to in our lives.

    I wouldn’t say the mockery (no charge to answer on ‘snide’ – I didn’t insinuate anything; I flat out call Celine & Jesse what they struck me as – the Snyder mention was a crack at Snyder, not Linklater, but poorly delivered) is any more/ less what I did with stuff like ‘MIA3′ or ‘Incredible Shrinking Woman’. The ‘fart’ thing is my idea of a joke based on a still from the film. As for cynical – I’m the bloke who sat through all the relationship stuff in ‘Titanic’ without a single shudder. This is the bloke who tears up for the two lost souls at the end of ‘Miracle Mile’. I much preferred watching the relationship form between Andrew & Samantha in ‘Monsters’ and when I think about it, ‘Monsters’ is kind of a variation on ‘Sunrise’ – but without the aliens obviously. I’m there to be moved. ‘Sunrise’ didn’t move me, that’s all. Nothing outside of the TV screen coloured my view.

    If I’m a cunt for disliking a film, R2, then I’m a cunt. What I’m not keen on is you taking a speculative swipe at my personal history. Just call me a cunt – I can accept that.

    If it’s any consolation at all (and judging by your response I doubt it), I’ve just had to sit through ‘Bed Of Roses’…

    • Jarv says :

      Hey- ho.

      Iy’s been all about the arguments recently.

      Fwiw- I thought it was a funny review and I like the film.

      PS: titanic blows.

      • Jarv says :

        Didn’t like monsters, actually.

        Takes all sorts.

      • Jarv says :

        Anyway never hear me being sarcastic.

        *whistles a merry tune*

      • Droid says :

        Monsters was alright. I appreciated the effort, due to the small budget, more than anything else. Didn’t really get into it on an emotional level.

      • Jarv says :

        I don’t think the payoff with the monsters dancing at the end of the film is particularly effective. Doesn’t work for me at all, and I didn’t realise that’s what they were doing.

      • Droid says :

        The monsters were dancing?

      • Droid says :

        I thought it was a mating ritual.

      • Droid says :

        My biggest problem with the film, and this is actually really common, is that for reasons I can only assume*, the director opened with the whole flash forward snippet, which is entirely unnecessary and a pointless way to open the film.

        *My assumption is, for 9 out of 10 films (Iron Man is a big one that’s guilty of this), the filmmakers don’t trust the audiences patience. So instead of telling the story, letting it unfold naturally, they artificially insert an “action” scene at the beginning. Something to placate the audiences need for ‘splosions as well as promising them “yes, don’t worry. the ‘splosions are coming”.

    • Hawaiian Organ Donor says :

      You’re not a cunt. I still loves ya Wolf. In spite of our differences of opinion over this movie.

      Hell, I’m the guy who thinks The Avengers was one of the laziest scrips ever written. And everyone on the planet loves it.

    • Droid says :

      I never called you a cunt, wolf. Not in the least. I’d never say you deserve to be slapped around by a midget, for example. I didn’t even see the rating, if i’m honest. But now that you mention it, I have to say your review doesn’t READ like a 2 out of 5. And that’s what I’ve been referring to, with my responses. The review. I wasn’t trying to speculate on your personal history. More wonder at how it could have informed on your reaction and subsequent review. Because it does sound (to me) very jaded and cynical.

      In the comments I tried to present an opposing argument. I love the film, so I wanted to express why I think so highly of it. I didn’t mean it as a personal attack. As I’ve said, each to their own.

      • Jarv says :

        Right-o.

        Group hugs?

      • Droid says :

        I wasn’t in an argument. But sure. Hugs all round.

      • ThereWolf says :

        I know you didn’t call me a cunt, R2; I called meself a cunt and then suggested I’d rather be called a cunt than psychoanalysed.

        Hand on heart, nothing informed the review. I thought it would be funny to do it in that style. That’s why I mentioned the rating – I figured folk would read it, then get to the rating and go, ‘oh, it’s watchable then…’ The error is in the writing decision; I should’ve dropped half the playfulness and reviewed more.

        Oppose away. In fact I’d actively encourage you to review the ‘Sunrise’ series – how many are there, 3?

  7. Hawaiian Organ Donor says :

    Hey there bitches!

    I love the Sunset movies. Like. A. Bitch.

    Iron Sky just hits the tubes. Shit is HIGH-LARIOUS.

    The Raid also hit the Internets. That shit is fucking bananas.

    Anyway, go hug a veteran. Give thanks to a Marine.

    Peace.

    • Jarv says :

      Donor!

      How goes it man? We’ve got IRON SKY! On Wednesday.

      Can’t wait.

      • Droid says :

        Indeed. Hopefully it’ll be fun. I’ve got my fingers crossed.

      • Hawaiian Organ Donor says :

        It goes I guess. Life’s been shit.

        Iron Sky is pure nonsense. But it’s funny enough to hold your attention for 90 minutes. There’s a few classic bits in it. Especially the line about the “blow job.”

      • Jarv says :

        Sorry to hear that mate.

        Re IRON SKY: Excellent- going tomorrow. It was marginally cheaper than usual cinema prices as well. And these films should be supported.

      • koutchboom says :

        FUCK HOD your wasting your time with that shit while refusing to see the last great thing Disney will do, African Cats? No wonder your life is fuck. God that’s almost as fucking pathetic as not admitting to the greatness of the power ballad.

    • ThereWolf says :

      Hawaiian! Great to hear from you, mate.

      Sounds like your life needs more cowbell. Or Scotch.

      Yeh, it’s all over the interwebs – folk love ‘Before Sunrise’. I’m firmly in the minority, back against the wall, cornered, like a wild animal!

      And I am a cunt.

  8. Just Pillow Talk says :

    Sounds atrocious. I’ve never seen it and will do my best to ensure I keep it that way.

    And clearly this movie got underneath your skin, so I certainly have no issues with your review. It generated this reaction, so really its the movie’s fault.

  9. Continentalop says :

    Joining the debate late. Good review Wolf, even though I am one of those who kind of like Before Sunrise. However, I can see why you had the reaction you did – I see this movie being a lot like the cinematic version of Catcher On the Rye or On the Road, and that you have to see it at a certain time and certain age for it to work for you. I’ve tried reading Catcher and On the Road in my early 30’s and it they did nothing for me, but all my friends who read them in college and early 20s love them. I think Before Sunrise is the same thing.

    At least it isn’t French or about WWII from the German POV (although it does have a French actress and takes place in Hitler’s home city).

    • ThereWolf says :

      Cheers, Conti.

      And I think this is dead right; ‘… you have to see it at a certain time and certain age for it to work for you…’

      I read ‘Catcher’ when I was at school and it meant something to me. I read it again about 10 years ago and I couldn’t find the feeling. Oddly, I still state it as a favourite book but in reality, it probably isn’t anymore.

      Now I’ve read up on ‘Sunrise’ I feel kind of guilty about just taking the piss and missing the opportunity to outline what I liked. The end, for example, I just made a joke about the camera visiting the places Celine & Jesse had been. But in actual fact, I thought that was the most effective moment in the film; those places DO feel empty without them – I can admit that, even though I didn’t warm to the characters.

    • koutchboom says :

      Hrmmm would Catcher still effect me in my early 20s? I don’t think so. Reading Catcher in my mid teens effected me and made me realize books were just for boring retards and could be fun and speak to me and it also probably lead me to flock to Chuckie Paulanuick….who I sort of gave up on in my early 20s. Seems like if Catcher was still speaking to you in your early 20s you were a late bloomer. I had fucking bills to pay by then didn’t have time to hate the world.

      Yeah if I read it now I’d probably hate the whole fucking thing.

  10. David W. Seiple says :

    I have watched this movie three (3) times. The first time I thought it was boring. The second time I thought it was extremely boring. The third time it was so bad I couldn’t finish it. The street scenes are nice, but the plot is very pale, the acting is mediocre at best, and, well, its just boring.

    The two movies that came after this were extremely bad.

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